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Jim Thompson
2004-02-22 21:22:57 UTC
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From today's East Valley Tribune (Phoenix East Valley), "The Vent"
column:

"Of course high school diplomas have lost their significance. That's
what happens when curricula is dumbed-down to make self-esteem more
important than learning."

Amen!

...Jim Thompson
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
John Larkin
2004-02-22 21:38:27 UTC
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On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 14:22:57 -0700, Jim Thompson
Post by Jim Thompson
From today's East Valley Tribune (Phoenix East Valley), "The Vent"
"Of course high school diplomas have lost their significance. That's
what happens when curricula is dumbed-down to make self-esteem more
important than learning."
Amen!
...Jim Thompson
There's a negative correlation between self-esteem and academic and
financial success; that should be obvious to anybody who's not a
sociologist. The group of kids with the highest self-esteem turn out
to be inner-city black girls, who will go on to be the group with the
lowest incomes.

"Only the paranoid survive." - Andy Grove

John
Jim Thompson
2004-02-22 21:41:33 UTC
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On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 13:38:27 -0800, John Larkin
<***@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com> wrote:

[snip]
Post by John Larkin
"Only the paranoid survive." - Andy Grove
John
Reminds me of "Just because I'm paranoid *doesn't* mean they're not
out to get me".

...Jim Thompson
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| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
John Larkin
2004-02-22 22:22:00 UTC
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On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 14:41:33 -0700, Jim Thompson
Post by Jim Thompson
On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 13:38:27 -0800, John Larkin
[snip]
Post by John Larkin
"Only the paranoid survive." - Andy Grove
John
Reminds me of "Just because I'm paranoid *doesn't* mean they're not
out to get me".
...Jim Thompson
I have Andy's 1967 book "Physics and Technology of Semiconductor
Devices" which is still a nice reference. Cost me $4.

John
Tim Auton
2004-02-23 01:14:32 UTC
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Post by John Larkin
On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 14:22:57 -0700, Jim Thompson
Post by Jim Thompson
From today's East Valley Tribune (Phoenix East Valley), "The Vent"
"Of course high school diplomas have lost their significance. That's
what happens when curricula is dumbed-down to make self-esteem more
important than learning."
There's a negative correlation between self-esteem and academic and
financial success; that should be obvious to anybody who's not a
sociologist. The group of kids with the highest self-esteem turn out
to be inner-city black girls, who will go on to be the group with the
lowest incomes.
Zero self esteem = don't give a fuck = will happily rape your momma
for fun. Pacifying them with esteem and money is cheaper than
security.


Tim
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Love is a travelator.
R. Steve Walz
2004-02-23 04:49:14 UTC
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Post by Tim Auton
Post by John Larkin
On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 14:22:57 -0700, Jim Thompson
Post by Jim Thompson
From today's East Valley Tribune (Phoenix East Valley), "The Vent"
"Of course high school diplomas have lost their significance. That's
what happens when curricula is dumbed-down to make self-esteem more
important than learning."
There's a negative correlation between self-esteem and academic and
financial success; that should be obvious to anybody who's not a
sociologist. The group of kids with the highest self-esteem turn out
to be inner-city black girls, who will go on to be the group with the
lowest incomes.
Zero self esteem = don't give a fuck = will happily rape your momma
for fun. Pacifying them with esteem and money is cheaper than
security.
Tim
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Pay attention:
-
Self-esteem is always self-assessed for statistical studies, thus,
if someone dislikes you, it's "I got mine, Jack!", and if they value
you they'll tell you what they think you want to hear. You won't get
the truth as long as there is an angle.

The fact remains, as everybody knows inside, that self-esteem is
vital to make people trust their own efforts long enough to learn
from those efforts. Your petty-ignorant racism withstands nothing
worthwhile.

-Steve
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Scott Stephens
2004-02-23 08:48:37 UTC
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Post by R. Steve Walz
The fact remains, as everybody knows inside, that self-esteem is
vital to make people trust their own efforts long enough to learn
from those efforts.
Don't confuse self-confidence, self-esteem and charisma.
Post by R. Steve Walz
Your petty-ignorant racism withstands nothing
worthwhile.
I think it does, if you remove the race aspect. White-suburban
government education institution (AKA public school) and the social
environment is slightly less abuse than the urban ghetto. Faculty
tolerates bullying the different. Not as some socialist policy to
inculcate conformity and a class-based pecking order, but because they
type of people that become teachers are class-conscious herd-beasts
themselves.

There are statistics for American schools that show interest and
proficiency in science and math drastically falls off after 6th grade,
when adolescents begin fearing being labeled as wimpy geeks by their peers.

Hubris has been the downfall of many aristocracies. The ruling class
think just because they can degrade and dominate the peasants, we're too
stupid to see their game. I suppose many of us are, because Democrats
and Republicans keep getting votes. As long as they can run to India and
China to get engineers and Mexico for labor, the middle class has
nothing to do but die off.

In several decades, the peasant population aught to have enough numbers
and pull to vote themselves a good 'ol fashioned communist government.
--
Scott

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R. Steve Walz
2004-02-24 06:42:16 UTC
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Post by Scott Stephens
Post by R. Steve Walz
The fact remains, as everybody knows inside, that self-esteem is
vital to make people trust their own efforts long enough to learn
from those efforts.
Don't confuse self-confidence, self-esteem and charisma.
---------------------
Charisma is irrelevant, self-confidence is being sure you can do
it, self-esteem is believing you're RIGHT to do it.
Post by Scott Stephens
Post by R. Steve Walz
Your petty-ignorant racism withstands nothing
worthwhile.
I think it does, if you remove the race aspect. White-suburban
government education institution (AKA public school) and the social
environment is slightly less abuse than the urban ghetto. Faculty
tolerates bullying the different. Not as some socialist policy to
inculcate conformity
-----------------
Nonsense, none required or desired, except to the rule of law.
Post by Scott Stephens
and a class-based pecking order,
--------------------
Total imaginary garbage.
Post by Scott Stephens
but because they
type of people that become teachers are class-conscious herd-beasts
themselves.
--------------------------
Ridiculous. They are the most freshly different.
Post by Scott Stephens
There are statistics for American schools that show interest and
proficiency in science and math drastically falls off after 6th grade,
when adolescents begin fearing being labeled as wimpy geeks by their peers.
------------------------------
You mean when they discover sex. If groupsex were taught in gym
class with hour breaks for it morning and afternoon, it would
disappear as any "problem", and kids would gladly come to school
and wish to remain there night and day!
Post by Scott Stephens
Hubris has been the downfall of many aristocracies. The ruling class
think just because they can degrade and dominate the peasants, we're too
stupid to see their game. I suppose many of us are, because Democrats
and Republicans keep getting votes. As long as they can run to India and
China to get engineers and Mexico for labor, the middle class has
nothing to do but die off.
----------------------
The technologensia of the US should defend itself by strict tariffs
and measures against permitting companies to import engineers till
there was full employment.
Post by Scott Stephens
In several decades, the peasant population aught to have enough numbers
and pull to vote themselves a good 'ol fashioned communist government.
Scott
--------------
Yup.

-Steve
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Electronics Site!! 1000's of Files and Dirs!! With Schematics Galore!!
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Stephen J. Rush
2004-02-24 14:55:42 UTC
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Post by R. Steve Walz
Post by Scott Stephens
Post by R. Steve Walz
The fact remains, as everybody knows inside, that self-esteem is
vital to make people trust their own efforts long enough to learn
from those efforts.
Don't confuse self-confidence, self-esteem and charisma.
---------------------
Charisma is irrelevant, self-confidence is being sure you can do
it, self-esteem is believing you're RIGHT to do it.
Post by Scott Stephens
Post by R. Steve Walz
Your petty-ignorant racism withstands nothing
worthwhile.
I think it does, if you remove the race aspect. White-suburban
government education institution (AKA public school) and the social
environment is slightly less abuse than the urban ghetto. Faculty
tolerates bullying the different. Not as some socialist policy to
inculcate conformity
-----------------
Nonsense, none required or desired, except to the rule of law.
Post by Scott Stephens
and a class-based pecking order,
--------------------
Total imaginary garbage.
Let me guess: you were a jock.
Max Hauser
2004-02-22 23:19:58 UTC
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An editor I know once remarked the pretty obvious, "if you want esteem, do
something estimable."

Thomas Sowell (an economic historian of libertarian leaning), in one
exasperated book, compared standard international test results for
high-school students in both academic skills (where the US was near the
bottom) and self-assessment of academic sklls (where self-ratings by US
students were at or near the top, internationally) and reasoned from this
that US schools are now producing "confident incompetents."
Post by Jim Thompson
From today's East Valley Tribune (Phoenix East Valley), "The Vent"
"Of course high school diplomas have lost their significance. That's
what happens when curricula is dumbed-down to make self-esteem more
important than learning."
Amen!
...Jim Thompson
Mr Hard Man Gay
2004-02-23 00:44:35 UTC
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Post by Jim Thompson
From today's East Valley Tribune (Phoenix East Valley), "The Vent"
"Of course high school diplomas have lost their significance. That's
what happens when curricula is dumbed-down to make self-esteem more
important than learning."
Amen!
...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |
I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
I also have children.... they are lawyers.... I am totally proud of my
achievement.

I have created a world and I will bitch about it.

Fuck you.....

Yo!
Nigger
My cholostemy bag needs changing
Jim Thompson
2004-02-23 01:06:39 UTC
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On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 00:44:35 -0000, "Mr Hard Man Gay"
<***@nothere.com> wrote:

[snip]
Post by Mr Hard Man Gay
I also have children.... they are lawyers.... I am totally proud of my
achievement.
I have created a world and I will bitch about it.
Fuck you.....
Yo!
Nigger
My cholostemy bag needs changing
Ehhhh? Anyone know who this cretin is? Looks like a permanent ctrl-K
to me.

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
DarkMatter
2004-02-23 01:20:26 UTC
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On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 18:06:39 -0700, Jim Thompson
Post by Jim Thompson
On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 00:44:35 -0000, "Mr Hard Man Gay"
[snip]
Post by Mr Hard Man Gay
I also have children.... they are lawyers.... I am totally proud of my
achievement.
I have created a world and I will bitch about it.
Fuck you.....
Yo!
Nigger
My cholostemy bag needs changing
Ehhhh? Anyone know who this cretin is? Looks like a permanent ctrl-K
to me.
You didn't get that? Hhahahaha....
Tim Auton
2004-02-23 02:05:26 UTC
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Post by DarkMatter
On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 18:06:39 -0700, Jim Thompson
Post by Jim Thompson
On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 00:44:35 -0000, "Mr Hard Man Gay"
[snip]
Post by Mr Hard Man Gay
I also have children.... they are lawyers.... I am totally proud of my
achievement.
I have created a world and I will bitch about it.
Fuck you.....
Yo!
Nigger
My cholostemy bag needs changing
Ehhhh? Anyone know who this cretin is? Looks like a permanent ctrl-K
to me.
You didn't get that? Hhahahaha....
Sheesh, you should know by now Jim uses the killfile to ensure his
insular world view isn't disrupted. He's old, you know. Change is
difficult...


Tim
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Love is a travelator.
DarkMatter
2004-02-24 00:52:02 UTC
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On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 02:05:26 +0000, Tim Auton
Post by Tim Auton
Sheesh, you should know by now Jim uses the killfile to ensure his
insular world view isn't disrupted. He's old, you know. Change is
difficult...
Let's just say that the Bat's turd doesn't see my posts, unless they
are in a reply. The part that is most lame is where they announce
their filter file edits in a post in a group meant for entirely other
matters.
Mike Cowlishaw
2004-02-23 16:56:24 UTC
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Post by Jim Thompson
From today's East Valley Tribune (Phoenix East Valley), "The Vent"
"Of course high school diplomas have lost their significance. That's
what happens when curricula is dumbed-down to make self-esteem more
important than learning."
<chuckle> I assume Jim wrote ".. curricula IS dumbed-down .." to prove
the point. I think he succeeded :-) [I hope the newspaper didn't
really print that.]

mfc
Jim Thompson
2004-02-23 17:08:40 UTC
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On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 16:56:24 -0000, "Mike Cowlishaw"
Post by Mike Cowlishaw
Post by Jim Thompson
From today's East Valley Tribune (Phoenix East Valley), "The Vent"
"Of course high school diplomas have lost their significance. That's
what happens when curricula is dumbed-down to make self-esteem more
important than learning."
<chuckle> I assume Jim wrote ".. curricula IS dumbed-down .." to prove
the point. I think he succeeded :-) [I hope the newspaper didn't
really print that.]
mfc
Ouch! My dumb :-(

...Jim Thompson
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| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
John Woodgate
2004-02-25 08:01:32 UTC
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I read in sci.electronics.design that Mike Cowlishaw
Post by Mike Cowlishaw
Post by Jim Thompson
From today's East Valley Tribune (Phoenix East Valley), "The Vent"
"Of course high school diplomas have lost their significance. That's
what happens when curricula is dumbed-down to make self-esteem more
important than learning."
<chuckle> I assume Jim wrote ".. curricula IS dumbed-down .." to prove
the point. I think he succeeded :-) [I hope the newspaper didn't
really print that.]
Yes. Everybody would recognize that it should be 'curriculae are...'.
(;-)
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
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