OT: Fraudulent Postings in My Name

[Jim Thompson]

Who, lurking here, would be posting fraudulent information, in my
name, from <ci.fresno.ca.us> ??

My lawyers want to know.

If I catch your ass I guarantee maximum pain and suffering, and
financial ruin.

...Jim Thompson

[John Larkin]

On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 10:19:21 -0700, Jim Thompson

Post by Jim Thompson
Who, lurking here, would be posting fraudulent information, in my
name, from <ci.fresno.ca.us> ??
My lawyers want to know.
If I catch your ass I guarantee maximum pain and suffering, and
financial ruin.
...Jim Thompson

Not me, Jim! Honest! Pleeeeeeeese don't sue me.

John

[Paul Burridge]

On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 10:57:57 -0700, John Larkin

Post by John Larkin
On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 10:19:21 -0700, Jim Thompson

Post by Jim Thompson
Who, lurking here, would be posting fraudulent information, in my
name, from <ci.fresno.ca.us> ??
My lawyers want to know.
If I catch your ass I guarantee maximum pain and suffering, and
financial ruin.
...Jim Thompson

Not me, Jim! Honest! Pleeeeeeeese don't sue me.

It would explain a lot, though. No one with any self-respect or who
values their reputation in any way would post the kind of crap that
appears here under Jim's name.

[Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover"]

Post by Paul Burridge
On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 10:57:57 -0700, John Larkin

Post by John Larkin
On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 10:19:21 -0700, Jim Thompson

Post by Jim Thompson
Who, lurking here, would be posting fraudulent information, in my
name, from <ci.fresno.ca.us> ??
My lawyers want to know.
If I catch your ass I guarantee maximum pain and suffering, and
financial ruin.
...Jim Thompson

Not me, Jim! Honest! Pleeeeeeeese don't sue me.

It would explain a lot, though. No one with any self-respect or who
values their reputation in any way would post the kind of crap that
appears here under Jim's name.

I agree.

Post by Paul Burridge
--

[Frank Bemelman]

Post by Jim Thompson
Who, lurking here, would be posting fraudulent information, in my
name, from <ci.fresno.ca.us> ??
My lawyers want to know.
If I catch your ass I guarantee maximum pain and suffering, and
financial ruin.
...Jim Thompson

You mean the other Jim, who hasn't killfiled everone ?

[Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover"]

Post by Jim Thompson
Who, lurking here, would be posting fraudulent information, in my
name, from <ci.fresno.ca.us> ??
My lawyers want to know.
If I catch your ass I guarantee maximum pain and suffering, and
financial ruin.
...Jim Thompson
--

Yeah, I saw that. I think it's a virus. Or else DipSlime (an acronym
for YouNoWho).

[Active8]

Post by Jim Thompson
Who, lurking here, would be posting fraudulent information, in my
name, from <ci.fresno.ca.us> ??
My lawyers want to know.
If I catch your ass I guarantee maximum pain and suffering, and
financial ruin.
...Jim Thompson

What, where, when? I don't recall seeing anything suspicious, but I
guess I'll have to start checking your headers for the Cox[knocker]
CATV path, so I can reasonable assume it's you posting.

[Jim Thompson]

Post by Active8

Post by Jim Thompson
Who, lurking here, would be posting fraudulent information, in my
name, from <ci.fresno.ca.us> ??
My lawyers want to know.
If I catch your ass I guarantee maximum pain and suffering, and
financial ruin.
...Jim Thompson

What, where, when? I don't recall seeing anything suspicious, but I
guess I'll have to start checking your headers for the Cox[knocker]
CATV path, so I can reasonable assume it's you posting.

It wasn't a site where you or I would lurk... a scurrilous site, where
someone was clearly trying to do me harm by posting my telephone
number and E-mail address.

I hope I am able to track him... I kid you not, I will destroy him.

...Jim Thompson

[Joe Walters]

Post by Jim Thompson
Who, lurking here, would be posting fraudulent information, in my
name, from <ci.fresno.ca.us> ??
My lawyers want to know.
If I catch your ass I guarantee maximum pain and suffering, and
financial ruin.
...Jim Thompson

Jim,

I was sent this today. If the outfit is on the up and up it might be

Post by Jim Thompson
Those good folks over at the Institute for Spam and
Internet Public Policy <http://www.isipp.com/index.php>
have a really nifty idea to get back at those pesky
spoofers - people who use your domain as the 'from' address
in their spam.
ISIPP is offering a new service with which they will help
you to register your domain name for trademark protection.
Once you have your domain trademarked, anybody who spoofs
it is guilty of trademark infringement! And if you have a
hankering to really make them suffer, it's much easier to
sue someone for trademark infringement than it is to sue
someone under CAN-SPAM, plus anybody can do it (CAN-SPAM
limits legal action to the FTC, state attorney generals,
and ISPs).

Kind Regards,


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[Jim Thompson]

Post by Joe Walters

Post by Jim Thompson
Who, lurking here, would be posting fraudulent information, in my
name, from <ci.fresno.ca.us> ??
My lawyers want to know.
If I catch your ass I guarantee maximum pain and suffering, and
financial ruin.
...Jim Thompson

Jim,
I was sent this today. If the outfit is on the up and up it might be

Post by Jim Thompson
Those good folks over at the Institute for Spam and
Internet Public Policy <http://www.isipp.com/index.php>
have a really nifty idea to get back at those pesky
spoofers - people who use your domain as the 'from' address
in their spam.
ISIPP is offering a new service with which they will help
you to register your domain name for trademark protection.
Once you have your domain trademarked, anybody who spoofs
it is guilty of trademark infringement! And if you have a
hankering to really make them suffer, it's much easier to
sue someone for trademark infringement than it is to sue
someone under CAN-SPAM, plus anybody can do it (CAN-SPAM
limits legal action to the FTC, state attorney generals,
and ISPs).

Kind Regards,

Thanks, Joe, Excellent idea.

I already have a patent attorney, so I can have him do it...
trademarks are dirt cheap.

...Jim Thompson

[Robert C Monsen]

<I'm shocked, shocked to find fraudulent postings going on here!>

Why don't you just start digitally signing your messages? Try PGP 8.1.
Hand out your public key, and folks (who care) can tell if messages
are from you or not.

Regards
-- Bob Monsen

[Jim Thompson]

On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 23:29:34 GMT, "Robert C Monsen"

Post by Robert C Monsen
<I'm shocked, shocked to find fraudulent postings going on here!>
Why don't you just start digitally signing your messages? Try PGP 8.1.
Hand out your public key, and folks (who care) can tell if messages
are from you or not.
Regards
-- Bob Monsen

That's not the issue. A person posted using my E-mail address, so I'm
now starting to get spam, to that previously non-public address.

...Jim Thompson

[Robert C Monsen]

Post by Jim Thompson
On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 23:29:34 GMT, "Robert C Monsen"

Post by Robert C Monsen

On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 14:17:01 -0700, Joe Walters

<I'm shocked, shocked to find fraudulent postings going on here!>
Why don't you just start digitally signing your messages? Try PGP 8.1.
Hand out your public key, and folks (who care) can tell if messages
are from you or not.
Regards
-- Bob Monsen

That's not the issue. A person posted using my E-mail address, so I'm
now starting to get spam, to that previously non-public address.

You've posted the email addresses of public officials on newsgroups
before, as I recall. I guess there is such a thing as karma... ;)

Regards,
Bob Monsen

[Jim Thompson]

On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 23:37:19 GMT, "Robert C Monsen"
[snip

Post by Robert C Monsen

Post by Jim Thompson
That's not the issue. A person posted using my E-mail address, so I'm
now starting to get spam, to that previously non-public address.

You've posted the email addresses of public officials on newsgroups
before, as I recall. I guess there is such a thing as karma... ;)
Regards,
Bob Monsen

But THEY were deserving ;-)

...Jim Thompson

[Tim Williams]

Post by Robert C Monsen
You've posted the email addresses of public officials on newsgroups
before, as I recall. I guess there is such a thing as karma... ;)

Not to mention his killfile, which probably has half of everyone on all the
newsgroups he goes to...

Tim

--
"I've got more trophies than Wayne Gretsky and the Pope combined!"
- Homer Simpson
Website @ http://webpages.charter.net/dawill/tmoranwms

[Jim Thompson]

On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 19:36:28 -0500, "Tim Williams"

Post by Tim Williams

Post by Robert C Monsen
You've posted the email addresses of public officials on newsgroups
before, as I recall. I guess there is such a thing as karma... ;)

Not to mention his killfile, which probably has half of everyone on all the
newsgroups he goes to...
Tim

There are *only* 14 authors on my list ;-)

They are generally off-the-wall-leftists, or rabidly anti-American...
and then there's the dumb-as-a-stump-pretender-to-be-expert, PB ;-)

...Jim Thompson

[Active8]

Post by Jim Thompson
On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 19:36:28 -0500, "Tim Williams"

Post by Tim Williams

Post by Robert C Monsen
You've posted the email addresses of public officials on newsgroups
before, as I recall. I guess there is such a thing as karma... ;)

Not to mention his killfile, which probably has half of everyone on all the
newsgroups he goes to...
Tim

There are *only* 14 authors on my list ;-)
They are generally off-the-wall-leftists, or rabidly anti-American...
and then there's the dumb-as-a-stump-pretender-to-be-expert, PB ;-)

Who was the first name to come to mind when I pondered who might do
something like that, but you said it was posted out of Canada.
That's not necessarily the case, though. He may have used a proxy
server. Harder to trace, but not impossible.

[Jim Thompson]

Post by Active8

Post by Jim Thompson
On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 19:36:28 -0500, "Tim Williams"

Post by Tim Williams

Post by Robert C Monsen
You've posted the email addresses of public officials on newsgroups
before, as I recall. I guess there is such a thing as karma... ;)

Not to mention his killfile, which probably has half of everyone on all the
newsgroups he goes to...
Tim

There are *only* 14 authors on my list ;-)
They are generally off-the-wall-leftists, or rabidly anti-American...
and then there's the dumb-as-a-stump-pretender-to-be-expert, PB ;-)

Who was the first name to come to mind when I pondered who might do
something like that, but you said it was posted out of Canada.
That's not necessarily the case, though. He may have used a proxy
server. Harder to trace, but not impossible.

"ci.fresno.ca.us" is Fresno, *California*

...Jim Thompson

[Bill Sloman]

Post by Jim Thompson
On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 19:36:28 -0500, "Tim Williams"

Post by Tim Williams

Post by Robert C Monsen
You've posted the email addresses of public officials on newsgroups
before, as I recall. I guess there is such a thing as karma... ;)

Not to mention his killfile, which probably has half of everyone on all the
newsgroups he goes to...
Tim

There are *only* 14 authors on my list ;-)
They are generally off-the-wall-leftists, or rabidly anti-American...
and then there's the dumb-as-a-stump-pretender-to-be-expert, PB ;-)

And since Jim thinks that I am both an off-the-wall-leftist, and
rabidly anti-American, you can get some idea of his grasp of political
reality. His electronics is okay though - if not in the Barry Gilbert
class.

-------
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

[Paul Burridge]

Post by Jim Thompson
On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 19:36:28 -0500, "Tim Williams"

Post by Tim Williams

Post by Robert C Monsen
You've posted the email addresses of public officials on newsgroups
before, as I recall. I guess there is such a thing as karma... ;)

Not to mention his killfile, which probably has half of everyone on all the
newsgroups he goes to...
Tim

There are *only* 14 authors on my list ;-)
They are generally off-the-wall-leftists, or rabidly anti-American...
and then there's the dumb-as-a-stump-pretender-to-be-expert, PB ;-)

Jim, you really are a wanker. I've never professed any expertise in
any area of electronic design. At least what I do post is on-topic,
unlike the majority of your contributions.

[Tim Wescott]

Post by Jim Thompson
On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 19:36:28 -0500, "Tim Williams"

Post by Tim Williams

Post by Robert C Monsen
You've posted the email addresses of public officials on newsgroups
before, as I recall. I guess there is such a thing as karma... ;)

Not to mention his killfile, which probably has half of everyone on all the
newsgroups he goes to...
Tim

There are *only* 14 authors on my list ;-)
They are generally off-the-wall-leftists, or rabidly anti-American...
and then there's the dumb-as-a-stump-pretender-to-be-expert, PB ;-)
...Jim Thompson

So the thoughtful leftists aren't?

[Jim Thompson]

On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:34:19 -0700, Tim Wescott

Post by Tim Wescott

Post by Jim Thompson
On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 19:36:28 -0500, "Tim Williams"

Post by Tim Williams

Post by Robert C Monsen
You've posted the email addresses of public officials on newsgroups
before, as I recall. I guess there is such a thing as karma... ;)

Not to mention his killfile, which probably has half of everyone on all the
newsgroups he goes to...
Tim

There are *only* 14 authors on my list ;-)
They are generally off-the-wall-leftists, or rabidly anti-American...
and then there's the dumb-as-a-stump-pretender-to-be-expert, PB ;-)
...Jim Thompson

So the thoughtful leftists aren't?

Win is a "thoughtful leftist", though he insists he's not ;-)

...Jim Thompson

[Winfield Hill]

Jim Thompson wrote...

Post by Jim Thompson
Win is a "thoughtful leftist", though he insists he's not ;-)

Thoughtful? Me with all my anger at Bush? Crowds out thought!

Right now I'm pissed at the free ride he gave the midwest power
plants that are causing our acid rain - we only get 4 years for
house paint now, and I spent last weekend working on the 3rd
re-painting of our new 10-year-old house.

We had a few days of remarkably clean air when the blackout
occurred last summer and all the horrible plants were forced
to shut down for a few days. Some "Clear Sky Initiative" Bush
gave us, cravenly pandering to the fat-cat special interests.

Don't get me started.

[Frank Bemelman]

Post by Winfield Hill
Jim Thompson wrote...

Post by Jim Thompson
Win is a "thoughtful leftist", though he insists he's not ;-)

Thoughtful? Me with all my anger at Bush? Crowds out thought!
Right now I'm pissed at the free ride he gave the midwest power
plants that are causing our acid rain - we only get 4 years for
house paint now, and I spent last weekend working on the 3rd
re-painting of our new 10-year-old house.
We had a few days of remarkably clean air when the blackout
occurred last summer and all the horrible plants were forced
to shut down for a few days. Some "Clear Sky Initiative" Bush
gave us, cravenly pandering to the fat-cat special interests.
Don't get me started.

I painted my house ten years ago. A couple of weeks ago I checked
and it is still okay. I use paint from 'Sigma Coatings' which is
also used by professional painters. The stuff they sell in typical
DIY places is, without exception - plain rubbish. Lifetime also
depends on the type of wood. Meranti is better than pine.

[Winfield Hill]

Frank Bemelman wrote...

Post by Frank Bemelman
I painted my house ten years ago. A couple of weeks ago I checked
and it is still okay. I use paint from 'Sigma Coatings' which is
also used by professional painters. The stuff they sell in typical
DIY places is, without exception - plain rubbish. Lifetime also
depends on the type of wood. Meranti is better than pine.

Where do you live? (BTW, most of us here in NE have our houses
painted by professional painters. They now all quote only a 4
to 5 year expected lifetime, and that matches my observations.)

[Chuck Harris]

Post by Winfield Hill
Frank Bemelman wrote...

Post by Frank Bemelman
I painted my house ten years ago. A couple of weeks ago I checked
and it is still okay. I use paint from 'Sigma Coatings' which is
also used by professional painters. The stuff they sell in typical
DIY places is, without exception - plain rubbish. Lifetime also
depends on the type of wood. Meranti is better than pine.

Where do you live? (BTW, most of us here in NE have our houses
painted by professional painters. They now all quote only a 4
to 5 year expected lifetime, and that matches my observations.)

Hi Win,

The 4 to 5 year life of your paint job is due to the paint, not the
acid rain. Since the EPA has, uhmm, strongly discouraged the use of
petroleum solvent based paints, there hasn't been a decent exterior
house paint on the market. All of the latex paints leave a covering
that under a microscope looks like foam rubber. The water comes and
goes through the paint as it pleases. This causes the wood underneath
the paint to swell and contract making fractures in the paint that
allow even more water to get under the paint, and soon the paint is
coming off in sheets. Same effect on metal, the water gets through
the pores in the paint, and keeps the metal moist, with the usual
expected results.

Find some good old stock oil based paint, and your problem will magically
go away. Well, after you replace all of the wood that was destroyed
by the latex paint, that is.

Also, lead based paint had some very good qualities that helped in
exterior applications. You are old enough that most of the good paint
jobs you remember were both lead based, and petroleum solvent based
paint.

-Chuck Harris

OBTW, out our way, the highway department has been spending great amounts
of money to have all of the old lead based paints sandblasted off of the
metal beams on the bridges. Naturally they are using all of the latest
gear to protect the environment from the lead. Well, in less than a year
after they have "fixed-up" a bridge with some new non-lead based paint,
the rust starts to appear once again. They never had that problem with
lead based paints. How much risk is their really of children eating
paint chips off of highway bridges?

[Frank Bemelman]

Post by Winfield Hill
Frank Bemelman wrote...

Post by Frank Bemelman
I painted my house ten years ago. A couple of weeks ago I checked
and it is still okay. I use paint from 'Sigma Coatings' which is
also used by professional painters. The stuff they sell in typical
DIY places is, without exception - plain rubbish. Lifetime also
depends on the type of wood. Meranti is better than pine.

Where do you live? (BTW, most of us here in NE have our houses
painted by professional painters. They now all quote only a 4
to 5 year expected lifetime, and that matches my observations.)

Netherlands, 10 Km. from the coast. The paint I used ten years ago
was a two-pot system. Different paint for ground and second layer,
petroleum based. Two years ago I had a small extension build to
my house, which was painted by a professional. He used the same
type paint. They are supposed to use water based paints only, but
for outdoor jobs he still uses the 'good old stuff'.

[Fred Bloggs]

Post by Winfield Hill
Jim Thompson wrote...

Post by Jim Thompson
Win is a "thoughtful leftist", though he insists he's not ;-)

Thoughtful? Me with all my anger at Bush? Crowds out thought!
Right now I'm pissed at the free ride he gave the midwest power
plants that are causing our acid rain - we only get 4 years for
house paint now, and I spent last weekend working on the 3rd
re-painting of our new 10-year-old house.
We had a few days of remarkably clean air when the blackout
occurred last summer and all the horrible plants were forced
to shut down for a few days. Some "Clear Sky Initiative" Bush
gave us, cravenly pandering to the fat-cat special interests.
Don't get me started.

The relatively unpublicized record on Bush dismantling all the health,
safety, and environmental regulations is clear- he has made thousands of
political appointments to the agencies form either management or
lobbyists for the very industry they regulate. If Bush can't outright
remove the regulation, he eliminates all the inspector jobs so that it
can't be enforced. The prime mover behind most of the regulatory abuse
is this John Graham from the Harvard Center for Risk Analysis.
http://www.citizen.org/congress/regulations/graham.html

[Bill Sloman]

Post by Jim Thompson
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:34:19 -0700, Tim Wescott

Post by Tim Wescott

Post by Jim Thompson
On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 19:36:28 -0500, "Tim Williams"

Post by Tim Williams

Post by Robert C Monsen
You've posted the email addresses of public officials on newsgroups
before, as I recall. I guess there is such a thing as karma... ;)

Not to mention his killfile, which probably has half of everyone on all the
newsgroups he goes to...
Tim

There are *only* 14 authors on my list ;-)
They are generally off-the-wall-leftists, or rabidly anti-American...
and then there's the dumb-as-a-stump-pretender-to-be-expert, PB ;-)
...Jim Thompson

So the thoughtful leftists aren't?

Win is a "thoughtful leftist", though he insists he's not ;-)

Jim's idea of what constitutes a leftist includes most of the world.
He probably doesn't even think of himself as a rightist - like I said,
he's out of touch with political reality.

--------
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

[John Fields]

Post by Bill Sloman
Jim's idea of what constitutes a leftist includes most of the world.
He probably doesn't even think of himself as a rightist - like I said,
he's out of touch with political reality.

---
At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all
spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined,
despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats.

- P.J. O'Rourke

[Jim Thompson]

On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 17:41:46 -0500, John Fields

Post by John Fields

Post by Bill Sloman
Jim's idea of what constitutes a leftist includes most of the world.
He probably doesn't even think of himself as a rightist - like I said,
he's out of touch with political reality.

---
At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all
spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined,
despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats.
- P.J. O'Rourke

ROTFLMAO!

Actually I'm a moderate, the right-wing wants you to be a Southern
Baptist... I vote for atheism myself ;-)

...Jim Thompson

[Charles Edmondson]

Post by Jim Thompson
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 17:41:46 -0500, John Fields

Post by John Fields

Post by Bill Sloman
Jim's idea of what constitutes a leftist includes most of the world.
He probably doesn't even think of himself as a rightist - like I said,
he's out of touch with political reality.

---
At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all
spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined,
despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats.
- P.J. O'Rourke

ROTFLMAO!
Actually I'm a moderate, the right-wing wants you to be a Southern
Baptist... I vote for atheism myself ;-)
...Jim Thompson

Hey! I resemble that remark!

[Jonathan Kirwan]

Post by John Fields
At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all
spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined,
despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats.
- P.J. O'Rourke

I suppose folks could bandy quotes from others all day long and get nowhere.
That some people have thought and said these things isn't at all important.

In this case, it's clear that this individual appears to have had to give up on
his arguments, perhaps so thinly veiled and poorly made that they only gave him
grief over the long run so that finally in his frustration he had to resort to
such name calling. But I've no idea how quoting this kind of mean-spirited
retort contributes to any kind of useful debate of the issues between people. I
suppose it gives some visceral satisfaction at a childish level.

Jon

[John Fields]

On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:55:13 GMT, Jonathan Kirwan

Post by Jonathan Kirwan

Post by John Fields
At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all
spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined,
despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats.
- P.J. O'Rourke

I suppose folks could bandy quotes from others all day long and get nowhere.
That some people have thought and said these things isn't at all important.

---
I disagree. Being able to distill a train of thought into a few pithy
words which can evoke that train of thought in others and cause the
emotional response to occur in the reader which the author intended is
indeed important. Poetry, some prose, and musical lyrics all employ
that facility if they are memorable.
---

Post by Jonathan Kirwan
In this case, it's clear that this individual appears to have had to give up on
his arguments, perhaps so thinly veiled and poorly made that they only gave him
grief over the long run so that finally in his frustration he had to resort to
such name calling. But I've no idea how quoting this kind of mean-spirited
retort contributes to any kind of useful debate of the issues between people. I
suppose it gives some visceral satisfaction at a childish level.

---
http://www.ldb.org/rourke.htm

[Jonathan Kirwan]

Post by John Fields
Being able to distill a train of thought into a few pithy
words which can evoke that train of thought in others and cause the
emotional response to occur in the reader which the author intended is
indeed important.

Not to someone who values rationality, as I do. I was speaking from my
perspective.

Jon

[Bob Stephens]

Post by Jonathan Kirwan

Post by John Fields
Being able to distill a train of thought into a few pithy
words which can evoke that train of thought in others and cause the
emotional response to occur in the reader which the author intended is
indeed important.

Not to someone who values rationality, as I do. I was speaking from my
perspective.
Jon

I'll bet you're just a ton of fun at a cocktail party...

[Jonathan Kirwan]

On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 14:07:09 GMT, Bob Stephens

Post by Bob Stephens
I'll bet you're just a ton of fun at a cocktail party...

I've been called 'Spock' on many occasions by many people. I do try to 'center'
my responses to avoid emotional over-reaction and the inherent positive feedback
it encourages with the pointless oscillations that result.

Although I enjoy one on one discussions and debates, I do not like being in
party situations. I can't recall any party I've intentionally attended and I've
never visited a bar or tavern. Not my cup, you know. ;)

In any case, mean-spirited name-calling is very poor form between people who are
interested in having a discussion. If there is *any* mutual respect left at
all, the effort should be to deal with the points squarely and to carry one's
own fair burden of the work. It's clear that O'Rourke had neither respect for,
nor an interest in, engaging ideas with those he was writing about.

Not an attitude, I believe, that should be encouraged.

Jon

[John Fields]

On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 16:14:58 GMT, Jonathan Kirwan

Post by Jonathan Kirwan
On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 14:07:09 GMT, Bob Stephens

Post by Bob Stephens
I'll bet you're just a ton of fun at a cocktail party...

I've been called 'Spock' on many occasions by many people. I do try to 'center'
my responses to avoid emotional over-reaction and the inherent positive feedback
it encourages with the pointless oscillations that result.
Although I enjoy one on one discussions and debates, I do not like being in
party situations. I can't recall any party I've intentionally attended and I've
never visited a bar or tavern. Not my cup, you know. ;)
In any case, mean-spirited name-calling is very poor form between people who are
interested in having a discussion. If there is *any* mutual respect left at
all, the effort should be to deal with the points squarely and to carry one's
own fair burden of the work. It's clear that O'Rourke had neither respect for,
nor an interest in, engaging ideas with those he was writing about.
Not an attitude, I believe, that should be encouraged.

Clearly, you've never "played the dozens", a form of humor originated
by (I believe) American black males where humorous insults are tossed
back and forth until one person becomes angry and thus becomes the
loser. Phrases like "looks like you got whupped with an ugly stick"
and countless others (some really biting and incisive) came out of
that genre.

O'Rourke seems to be able to invoke anger in some of us with his
biting commentary, which may say more about us than we'd like to hear.

[Jonathan Kirwan]

Post by John Fields
O'Rourke seems to be able to invoke anger in some of us with his
biting commentary, which may say more about us than we'd like to hear.

...as well as his willingness to capitalize on it and encourage people to "lose
it."

To me, politics should be about finding a set of mutually agreed compromises
that allow us to live __in peace__ amongst each other. Those who work for or
even gleefully strive for a "winner take all" approach, without any intent on
listening or respecting the opinion of others to help better find a common
ground, almost always do more damage than good.

Jon

[Bob Stephens]

Post by John Fields
---
I disagree. Being able to distill a train of thought into a few pithy
words which can evoke that train of thought in others and cause the
emotional response to occur in the reader which the author intended is
indeed important. Poetry, some prose, and musical lyrics all employ
that facility if they are memorable.

Well put.

[John Fields]

On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 15:25:23 GMT, Bob Stephens

Post by Bob Stephens

Post by John Fields
---
I disagree. Being able to distill a train of thought into a few pithy
words which can evoke that train of thought in others and cause the
emotional response to occur in the reader which the author intended is
indeed important. Poetry, some prose, and musical lyrics all employ
that facility if they are memorable.

Well put.

---
Thanks :-)

[Tim Auton]

Post by John Fields
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:55:13 GMT, Jonathan Kirwan

Post by Jonathan Kirwan

Post by John Fields
At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all
spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined,
despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats.

I suppose folks could bandy quotes from others all day long and get nowhere.
That some people have thought and said these things isn't at all important.

I disagree. Being able to distill a train of thought into a few pithy
words which can evoke that train of thought in others and cause the
emotional response to occur in the reader which the author intended is
indeed important. Poetry, some prose, and musical lyrics all employ
that facility if they are memorable.

If P.J. O'Rouke wanted us to think he was an arsehole without the
ability to discuss the merits of the philosophy he was attempting to
denigrate then he is truly a genius. However, I suspect he just wanted
to insult a significant proportion of the populous because he doesn't
agree with them.


Tim

[unknown]

Post by John Fields

Post by Bill Sloman
Jim's idea of what constitutes a leftist includes most of the world.
He probably doesn't even think of himself as a rightist - like I said,
he's out of touch with political reality.

At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all
spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined,
despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats.
- P.J. O'Rourke

I would really like to see how each of you are classified by the
_World's Smallest Political Quiz_ at [ http://www.self-gov.org/quiz.html ].
(explanation as to why you think the results are invalid optiona) :)

[Charles Schuler]

Post by Jim Thompson
Who, lurking here, would be posting fraudulent information, in my
name, from <ci.fresno.ca.us> ??
My lawyers want to know.
If I catch your ass I guarantee maximum pain and suffering, and
financial ruin.

And if you do manage to catch him/her, please try to have Mike Wallace (60
Minutes) cover it. The problem with spoofing, phishing, aliasing, spamming,
and the rest of this new crop of cowardly fungi is their perception that
they can't be caught. It would serve many of us well to have a public
viewing of them being prosecuted. Fear is the best motivator (demotivator
?) for cretin types. Good luck and keep us informed.

[Jim Thompson]

On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 18:16:16 -0400, "Charles Schuler"

Post by Charles Schuler

Post by Jim Thompson
Who, lurking here, would be posting fraudulent information, in my
name, from <ci.fresno.ca.us> ??
My lawyers want to know.
If I catch your ass I guarantee maximum pain and suffering, and
financial ruin.

And if you do manage to catch him/her, please try to have Mike Wallace (60
Minutes) cover it. The problem with spoofing, phishing, aliasing, spamming,
and the rest of this new crop of cowardly fungi is their perception that
they can't be caught. It would serve many of us well to have a public
viewing of them being prosecuted. Fear is the best motivator (demotivator
?) for cretin types. Good luck and keep us informed.

Reminds me of a prank I pulled around 1985.

A friend of an employee of mine was the sound man on 60 Minutes. The
sound man wanted a way to remote sync sound recording with the video.
Employee and I made up a simple-minded RF link to do it.

Sound man was so impressed that he asked what he could do for us.

Since Wallace was in town we asked could Wallace come and stake out
the boss' office.

Scared the piss out of the boss when he returned from lunch; then we
all had a good rip-roaring laugh ;-)

...Jim Thompson

[Charles Schuler]

Post by Jim Thompson
Reminds me of a prank I pulled around 1985.
A friend of an employee of mine was the sound man on 60 Minutes. The
sound man wanted a way to remote sync sound recording with the video.
Employee and I made up a simple-minded RF link to do it.
Sound man was so impressed that he asked what he could do for us.
Since Wallace was in town we asked could Wallace come and stake out
the boss' office.
Scared the piss out of the boss when he returned from lunch; then we
all had a good rip-roaring laugh ;-)

Mike Wallace (at least once) failed to intimidate. A friend of mine drifted
away from science and engineering for chiropractic. He set up a post-doc
school in Florida for chiropractors and Mike Wallace interviewed him since
the school was mostly slanted toward maximizing profits and was therefore
questionable. My friend handled Mike very well and I was surprised that the
interview went public on 60 Minutes.

Anyway, Mike serves a purpose and shining some light on sleaze is generally
good for the rest of us.

[Bill]

what has he done?

Bill

Post by Jim Thompson
Who, lurking here, would be posting fraudulent information, in my
name, from <ci.fresno.ca.us> ??
My lawyers want to know.
If I catch your ass I guarantee maximum pain and suffering, and
financial ruin.
...Jim Thompson
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[Jim Thompson]

On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 22:08:16 GMT, "Bill"

Post by Bill
what has he done?
Bill

[snip]

The problem seems solved. I located the originating site (in the
U.S.) and expounded on what my lawyers could do to them... the posts
and E-mails mysteriously stopped, but no one is admitting anything ;-)

...Jim Thompson

[Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover"]

Post by Bill
what has he done?
Bill

Post by Jim Thompson
Who, lurking here, would be posting fraudulent information, in my
name, from <ci.fresno.ca.us> ??
My lawyers want to know.
If I catch your ass I guarantee maximum pain and suffering, and
financial ruin.

That domain is likely 'city' government of 'fresno' in 'california' in
the U.S. But nowadays with the zombie computers, it could've been done
remotely. However, the admins there should be informed that their
equipment might be being used for spoofing. Or if their police dept is
a part of that domain, then it's a good idea to file a complaint with
them.

Post by Bill

Post by Jim Thompson
...Jim Thompson

[Jim Thompson]

On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 20:35:39 -0700, "Watson A.Name - \"Watt Sun, the
Dark Remover\"" <***@dslextreme.com> wrote:

[snip]

Post by Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover"
That domain is likely 'city' government of 'fresno' in 'california' in
the U.S. But nowadays with the zombie computers, it could've been done
remotely. However, the admins there should be informed that their
equipment might be being used for spoofing. Or if their police dept is
a part of that domain, then it's a good idea to file a complaint with
them.

I don't know why this topic is recirculating. Problem solved several
weeks ago.

...Jim Thompson