Air America

[Jim Thompson]

The JERK on Air America is saying that we should ask other countries
to help us with the hurricane aftermath.

Bwahahahahahahaha!

Leftists are just plain IGNORANT nay sayers, and village idiots.

...Jim Thompson

[Winfield Hill]

Jim Thompson wrote...

Post by Jim Thompson
The JERK on Air America is saying that we should ask other
countries to help us with the hurricane aftermath.
Bwahahahahahahaha!
Leftists are just plain IGNORANT nay sayers, and village idiots.

I've been watching CNN, and it's clear we're not up to the task
right now. For example, the water still pouring in through the
broken levees. Whether anyone can help us isn't clear, but I doubt
the folks who've been hit are harboring your go-it-alone attitude.

[John Woodgate]

I read in alt.binaries.schematics.electronic that Winfield Hill

Post by Winfield Hill
Jim Thompson wrote...

Post by Jim Thompson
The JERK on Air America is saying that we should ask other
countries to help us with the hurricane aftermath.
Bwahahahahahahaha!
Leftists are just plain IGNORANT nay sayers, and village idiots.

I've been watching CNN, and it's clear we're not up to the task
right now. For example, the water still pouring in through the
broken levees. Whether anyone can help us isn't clear, but I doubt
the folks who've been hit are harboring your go-it-alone attitude.

There may be method in the madness. ISTR that there has been a lot of
pressure to adopt a radically different policy from the current one of
continually raising the levees to prevent flooding. There have been
comments that 'NO will never be the same again', which may hint at this.

Here in UK, there are already moves to break down sea walls that cannot
be defended against erosion and predicted sea-level changes, resulting
in the creation or re-creation of salt marshes. These prevent further
erosion and prevent flood water from storm surges and unusual tides
running up river valleys and flooding towns.

[Pooh Bear]

Post by John Woodgate
I read in alt.binaries.schematics.electronic that Winfield Hill

Post by Winfield Hill
Jim Thompson wrote...

Post by Jim Thompson
The JERK on Air America is saying that we should ask other
countries to help us with the hurricane aftermath.
Bwahahahahahahaha!
Leftists are just plain IGNORANT nay sayers, and village idiots.

I've been watching CNN, and it's clear we're not up to the task
right now. For example, the water still pouring in through the
broken levees. Whether anyone can help us isn't clear, but I doubt
the folks who've been hit are harboring your go-it-alone attitude.

There may be method in the madness. ISTR that there has been a lot of
pressure to adopt a radically different policy from the current one of
continually raising the levees to prevent flooding. There have been
comments that 'NO will never be the same again', which may hint at this.
Here in UK, there are already moves to break down sea walls that cannot
be defended against erosion and predicted sea-level changes, resulting
in the creation or re-creation of salt marshes. These prevent further
erosion and prevent flood water from storm surges and unusual tides
running up river valleys and flooding towns.

Were you watching 'Coast' on Sunday by any chance, John ?

Graham

[John Woodgate]

I read in alt.binaries.schematics.electronic that Pooh Bear

Post by Pooh Bear
Were you watching 'Coast' on Sunday by any chance, John ?

No. For people living in east Essex, the preservation or abandonment of
sea walls is a local issue. Luckily, my house is on fairly high ground.

[Pooh Bear]

Post by John Woodgate
I read in alt.binaries.schematics.electronic that Pooh Bear

Post by Pooh Bear
Were you watching 'Coast' on Sunday by any chance, John ?

No. For people living in east Essex, the preservation or abandonment of
sea walls is a local issue. Luckily, my house is on fairly high ground.

I just wondered since the subject came up in some depth on last Sunday's show.

How close are you to the coast ?


Graham

[John Woodgate]

I read in alt.binaries.schematics.electronic that Pooh Bear

Post by Pooh Bear

Post by John Woodgate
I read in alt.binaries.schematics.electronic that Pooh Bear

Post by Pooh Bear
Were you watching 'Coast' on Sunday by any chance, John ?

No. For people living in east Essex, the preservation or abandonment of
sea walls is a local issue. Luckily, my house is on fairly high ground.

I just wondered since the subject came up in some depth on last Sunday's show.
How close are you to the coast ?

12.5 km from Shoeburyness, as the flow cries. Much less to Canvey
Island, scene of the 1953 floods. But it's not distance, it's height
that matters in the crunch. That's about 40 m. But large areas nearby
are less than 15 m ASL.

[Jim Thompson]

On 30 Aug 2005 13:12:25 -0700, Winfield Hill

Post by Winfield Hill
Jim Thompson wrote...

Post by Jim Thompson
The JERK on Air America is saying that we should ask other
countries to help us with the hurricane aftermath.
Bwahahahahahahaha!
Leftists are just plain IGNORANT nay sayers, and village idiots.

I've been watching CNN, and it's clear we're not up to the task
right now. For example, the water still pouring in through the
broken levees. Whether anyone can help us isn't clear, but I doubt
the folks who've been hit are harboring your go-it-alone attitude.

Shit! Win!!! There are emergency teams from all over the US
converging on the Southeast. The same teams that converged on NY on
9/11. Phoenix is sending numerous fire fighter types plus search dog
teams.

What would you do, invite the Frenchies in ?:-)

...Jim Thompson

[Winfield Hill]

Jim Thompson wrote...

Post by Jim Thompson
What would you do, invite the Frenchies in ?:-)

I won't keep them out. Anyone with a boat or a helicopter
should be welcomed. I know the Mexicans have plenty of
both that they use on their extensive offshore oil rigs.

[Jim Thompson]

On 30 Aug 2005 15:06:46 -0700, Winfield Hill

Post by Winfield Hill
Jim Thompson wrote...

Post by Jim Thompson
What would you do, invite the Frenchies in ?:-)

I won't keep them out. Anyone with a boat or a helicopter
should be welcomed. I know the Mexicans have plenty of
both that they use on their extensive offshore oil rigs.

Not to mention the ones they have for drug-running ;-)

...Jim Thompson

[NunYa Bidness]

On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 15:40:03 -0700, Jim Thompson

Post by Jim Thompson
On 30 Aug 2005 15:06:46 -0700, Winfield Hill

Post by Winfield Hill
Jim Thompson wrote...

Post by Jim Thompson
What would you do, invite the Frenchies in ?:-)

I won't keep them out. Anyone with a boat or a helicopter
should be welcomed. I know the Mexicans have plenty of
both that they use on their extensive offshore oil rigs.

Not to mention the ones they have for drug-running ;-)

Are they using boats and choppers in the tunnels now?

[Nelson Johnsrud]

Post by Winfield Hill
Jim Thompson wrote...

Post by Jim Thompson
What would you do, invite the Frenchies in ?:-)

I won't keep them out. Anyone with a boat or a helicopter
should be welcomed. I know the Mexicans have plenty of
both that they use on their extensive offshore oil rigs.

Hell, why not call the Cubans -- It seems they can make a boat out of
anything. :-) They can help by bringing some cigars so we can
celebrate after the US shows them how we bounce back from a little
summer shower.

I'm not trying to be insensitive to what many of our countrymen have
lost, but I have every confidence in our own ability to rise above this.

Nels

[Pooh Bear]

Post by Nelson Johnsrud
I'm not trying to be insensitive to what many of our countrymen have
lost, but I have every confidence in our own ability to rise above this.

From what I recently heard I'm not sure that parts of NO are likely to rise
above their currently submerged state in a long time. The levees are bust
and water is still pouring in.

Does it make sense to rebuild a 'sunken city' ?

Graham

[R10000]

Post by Nelson Johnsrud

Post by Winfield Hill
both that they use on their extensive offshore oil rigs.

I'm not trying to be insensitive to what many of our countrymen have
lost, but I have every confidence in our own ability to rise above this.
Nels

http://www.wdsu.com/weather/4917809/detail.html

the reason the blackhawks didnt show is because they are searching for the
non-existant nukes in iraq along with most of the national-guard.

http://bobgeiger.blogspot.com/2005/08/sorry-troops-needed-at-home-are-
not.html

http://www.pnionline.com/dnblog/attytood/archives/002331.html


if your fighting terrorists they are standing behind you making speeches on
fox.

[b***@ieee.org]

Typical provincial redneck. Why invite the French to help? What do they
know about dykes?

The obvious place to go for advice and expertise is the Netherlands -
most of the country is (like New Orleans) below sea level, and it is
famously dependent on its sea dykes for its very existence.

At the moment they seem to be doing okay - their last disaster was in
1953

http://www.thehollandring.com/1953-ramp.shtml

but they did get the message.

Galverston's disaster in 1900 doesn't seem to have galvanised the U.S.
administration to the same extent, but then again, all they lost was a
very small bit of Texas (which is a very large state, about 16.7 times
the size of the Netherlands) and some 8,000 Texans who probably count
as expendable, if the current administration is anything to go by.

-----------
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

[Anthony Fremont]

Post by Jim Thompson
On 30 Aug 2005 13:12:25 -0700, Winfield Hill

Post by Winfield Hill
I've been watching CNN, and it's clear we're not up to the task
right now. For example, the water still pouring in through the
broken levees. Whether anyone can help us isn't clear, but I doubt
the folks who've been hit are harboring your go-it-alone attitude.

Shit! Win!!! There are emergency teams from all over the US
converging on the Southeast. The same teams that converged on NY on
9/11. Phoenix is sending numerous fire fighter types plus search dog
teams.

<RANT> Yes, I'm sure this will be exactly like searching two collapsed
office buildings that occupied all of a few acres, it's just spread out
over several hundred square miles of land this time. Of course someone
will have to remove about 1 billion cubic yards of water first, so the
search teams can start looking. That shouldn't take long, should it?

I sure hope they hurry up and clean this mess up so we can all quickly
forget about preparing for REAL natural disasters and get back to
obsessing over terrorists and what they MIGHT do next. Does anyone
really believe that 26 billion is going to cover this? </RANT>

IMO, you really should take a little trip over to N.O. and talk to the
residents and see first hand what they are facing. Wait a couple more
days so you can fully enjoy the smells that you're missing by watching
it on TV. I've been flooded before, from your comments, you quite
obviously haven't. I was fortunate in that I live above sea-level, so
the water actually runs off after a while, but the people in N.O will
not be so lucky.

Did you know that flood insurance never provides loss of use coverage?
Do you know what that means to the home owners? For those who don't
know, it means that you either fork out your own money to live somewhere
else till your house is fixed, or you suck it up and live in your
flooded home during the entire repair process (provided it's still
standing of course). God help you if you have to wait for a rebuild
after something like this, you'll only be making house payments for
about a year while also trying to pay rent somewhere else. Hopefully
they will be able to convince their homeowners insurance that the house
burned, collapsed or blew away before the floods came.

[Frithiof Andreas Jensen]

Post by Anthony Fremont
about a year while also trying to pay rent somewhere else. Hopefully
they will be able to convince their homeowners insurance that the house
burned, collapsed or blew away before the floods came.

The insurers usually employ "Loss Adjuster"s to counter that exact situation
and they will argue that "the event" will meet whatever non-payment
weasel-clauses hidden within the inpenetrable legaleeze of the policy.

I also bet All the lawyers in the land are pre-ordering Porsche's, Mercer's
and Bahama'ean retirement property riiight now in eager anticipation ....

[John Woodgate]

I read in alt.binaries.schematics.electronic that Jim Thompson

Post by Jim Thompson
What would you do, invite the Frenchies in ?:-)

Only to substitute for sandbags. (;-)

[R10000]

Post by John Woodgate
I read in alt.binaries.schematics.electronic that Jim Thompson

Post by Jim Thompson
What would you do, invite the Frenchies in ?:-)

Only to substitute for sandbags. (;-)

i have to ask this, what the hell is the problem you americans have with
the french?
i mean, they gave you the statue of liberty for christs sake.

[John Woodgate]

Post by R10000

Post by John Woodgate
I read in alt.binaries.schematics.electronic that Jim Thompson

Post by Jim Thompson
What would you do, invite the Frenchies in ?:-)

Only to substitute for sandbags. (;-)

i have to ask this, what the hell is the problem you americans have with
the french?
i mean, they gave you the statue of liberty for christs sake.

Yes, why did they do that? It's not the usual sort of diplomatic
compliment. And now, of course, they won't give the USA the time of
day. (;-)

I'm not American. The French are our neighbours, and humans always spat
with their neighbours. Besides, whereas we are British, they are French,
which calls for no further explanation. (;-)

[R10000]

Post by John Woodgate
I'm not American. The French are our neighbours, and humans always spat
with their neighbours. Besides, whereas we are British, they are French,
which calls for no further explanation. (;-)

then "we" are EUROPEAN.
more in common than apart.

[John Woodgate]

I read in alt.binaries.schematics.electronic that R10000

Post by R10000

Post by John Woodgate
I'm not American. The French are our neighbours, and humans always spat
with their neighbours. Besides, whereas we are British, they are French,
which calls for no further explanation. (;-)

then "we" are EUROPEAN.
more in common than apart.

Don't you believe it. The UK hasn't been 'European' since the last
substantial rise in sea level. We'll be 'European' when Puerto Ricans
and Cubans are Americans and Japanese are Chinese or Russian.

In Europe there are different languages, different legal systems,
different political systems, and the imposed common currency is fast
losing support even among its strongest advocates.

Iraq and Northern Ireland were both formed by lumping disparate people
together. It is a recipe for trouble. Be polite to your neighbours, but
have good fences.

[Pooh Bear]

Post by John Woodgate

Post by R10000

Post by John Woodgate
I read in alt.binaries.schematics.electronic that Jim Thompson

Post by Jim Thompson
What would you do, invite the Frenchies in ?:-)

Only to substitute for sandbags. (;-)

i have to ask this, what the hell is the problem you americans have with
the french?
i mean, they gave you the statue of liberty for christs sake.

Yes, why did they do that? It's not the usual sort of diplomatic
compliment. And now, of course, they won't give the USA the time of
day. (;-)
I'm not American. The French are our neighbours, and humans always spat
with their neighbours. Besides, whereas we are British, they are French,
which calls for no further explanation. (;-)

My experience is that the French are a far nicer bunch and infinitely more
civilised / educated than the damn English !


Graham

[John Woodgate]

I read in alt.binaries.schematics.electronic that Pooh Bear

Post by Pooh Bear
My experience is that the French are a far nicer bunch and infinitely
more civilised / educated than the damn English !

I expect that's because you are French.

[Spehro Pefhany]

Post by R10000

Post by John Woodgate
I read in alt.binaries.schematics.electronic that Jim Thompson

Post by Jim Thompson
What would you do, invite the Frenchies in ?:-)

Only to substitute for sandbags. (;-)

i have to ask this, what the hell is the problem you americans have with
the french?
i mean, they gave you the statue of liberty for christs sake.

THE ENGINEER

my father was a tattoo artist in Haiphong
but his designs on mother didn't last too long
my mother sold her body, high on Betel nuts
my job was bringing red-faced monsieurs to our huts
selling your mom is a wrench
perfume can cover a stench
that's what I learned from the French

then it all changed with Dien Bien Phu
the frogs went home. Who came? Guess who?
are you surprised we went insane
with dollars pouring down like rain?
businessmen never rob banks
you can sell shit and get thanks
that's what I learned from the Yanks


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

[NunYa Bidness]

Post by R10000

Post by John Woodgate
I read in alt.binaries.schematics.electronic that Jim Thompson

Post by Jim Thompson
What would you do, invite the Frenchies in ?:-)

Only to substitute for sandbags. (;-)

i have to ask this, what the hell is the problem you americans have with
the french?
i mean, they gave you the statue of liberty for christs sake.

Fuck ze french!

Government, that is.

The folks are fine!

They need to get over Lance though.

[John Woodgate]

I read in alt.binaries.schematics.electronic that Jim Thompson

The JERK on Air America is saying that we should ask other countries to
help us with the hurricane aftermath.

Greenland could buy the surplus water to repair the glaciers.

[John Larkin]

On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 12:50:40 -0700, Jim Thompson

Post by Jim Thompson
The JERK on Air America is saying that we should ask other countries
to help us with the hurricane aftermath.
Bwahahahahahahaha!
Leftists are just plain IGNORANT nay sayers, and village idiots.
...Jim Thompson

Well, if all the ships in the Gulf and the mid-Atlantic rushed up the
river and tied up along the levee, they could all start pumping.

I grew up on Broadway in New Orleans, about 4 blocks from the river.
On a good spring day you could stand on my street and look *up* at
ships on the Mississippi, just the other side of the levee.

John

[NunYa Bidness]

On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 14:13:37 -0700, John Larkin

Post by John Larkin
On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 12:50:40 -0700, Jim Thompson

Post by Jim Thompson
The JERK on Air America is saying that we should ask other countries
to help us with the hurricane aftermath.
Bwahahahahahahaha!
Leftists are just plain IGNORANT nay sayers, and village idiots.
...Jim Thompson

Well, if all the ships in the Gulf and the mid-Atlantic rushed up the
river and tied up along the levee, they could all start pumping.
I grew up on Broadway in New Orleans, about 4 blocks from the river.
On a good spring day you could stand on my street and look *up* at
ships on the Mississippi, just the other side of the levee.

Scary... Stupid scary that a town would live there.

Fill that hole in! Instead of raising levees, raise the dang town
surface!

Heheheh...

[Raymond Koonce]

Post by NunYa Bidness
On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 14:13:37 -0700, John Larkin

Post by John Larkin
On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 12:50:40 -0700, Jim Thompson

Post by Jim Thompson
The JERK on Air America is saying that we should ask other countries
to help us with the hurricane aftermath.
Bwahahahahahahaha!
Leftists are just plain IGNORANT nay sayers, and village idiots.
...Jim Thompson

Well, if all the ships in the Gulf and the mid-Atlantic rushed up the
river and tied up along the levee, they could all start pumping.
I grew up on Broadway in New Orleans, about 4 blocks from the river.
On a good spring day you could stand on my street and look *up* at
ships on the Mississippi, just the other side of the levee.

Scary... Stupid scary that a town would live there.
Fill that hole in! Instead of raising levees, raise the dang town
surface!
Heheheh...

Don't laugh. They did that to Galveston, Texas after the 1900 hurricane.

[Richard Crowley]

Post by Raymond Koonce

Post by NunYa Bidness
On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 14:13:37 -0700, John Larkin

Post by John Larkin
On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 12:50:40 -0700, Jim Thompson

Post by Jim Thompson
The JERK on Air America is saying that we should ask other countries
to help us with the hurricane aftermath.
Bwahahahahahahaha!
Leftists are just plain IGNORANT nay sayers, and village idiots.
...Jim Thompson

Well, if all the ships in the Gulf and the mid-Atlantic rushed up the
river and tied up along the levee, they could all start pumping.
I grew up on Broadway in New Orleans, about 4 blocks from the river.
On a good spring day you could stand on my street and look *up* at
ships on the Mississippi, just the other side of the levee.

Scary... Stupid scary that a town would live there.
Fill that hole in! Instead of raising levees, raise the dang town
surface!
Heheheh...

Don't laugh. They did that to Galveston, Texas after the 1900
hurricane.

Also in Seattle. You can take a tour of "underground Seattle"
and see where the surface/streets used to be.

[John Larkin]

On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 21:58:08 GMT, NunYa Bidness

Post by NunYa Bidness
On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 14:13:37 -0700, John Larkin

Post by John Larkin
On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 12:50:40 -0700, Jim Thompson

Post by Jim Thompson
The JERK on Air America is saying that we should ask other countries
to help us with the hurricane aftermath.
Bwahahahahahahaha!
Leftists are just plain IGNORANT nay sayers, and village idiots.
...Jim Thompson

Well, if all the ships in the Gulf and the mid-Atlantic rushed up the
river and tied up along the levee, they could all start pumping.
I grew up on Broadway in New Orleans, about 4 blocks from the river.
On a good spring day you could stand on my street and look *up* at
ships on the Mississippi, just the other side of the levee.

Scary... Stupid scary that a town would live there.

The legend is that Bienville was looking for a place to settle a small
colony, and New Orleans was the only place the Indians would let him
have. It was so wet, and the mosquitoes were so bad, they didn't want
it. It's mostly under sea level, nestled between a loop in the
Mississippi and Lake Pontchartrain.

Post by NunYa Bidness
Fill that hole in! Instead of raising levees, raise the dang town
surface!

I'll have to do the math on that. Say, 100 square miles of dirt, (the
whole city is about 360 sq mi, but you wouldn't do it all) average
maybe 12 or so feet thick. OK, roughly a trillion cubic yards.

John

[John Larkin]

On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 16:04:33 -0700, John Larkin

Post by John Larkin
On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 21:58:08 GMT, NunYa Bidness

Post by NunYa Bidness
On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 14:13:37 -0700, John Larkin

Post by John Larkin
On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 12:50:40 -0700, Jim Thompson

Post by Jim Thompson
The JERK on Air America is saying that we should ask other countries
to help us with the hurricane aftermath.
Bwahahahahahahaha!
Leftists are just plain IGNORANT nay sayers, and village idiots.
...Jim Thompson

Well, if all the ships in the Gulf and the mid-Atlantic rushed up the
river and tied up along the levee, they could all start pumping.
I grew up on Broadway in New Orleans, about 4 blocks from the river.
On a good spring day you could stand on my street and look *up* at
ships on the Mississippi, just the other side of the levee.

Scary... Stupid scary that a town would live there.

The legend is that Bienville was looking for a place to settle a small
colony, and New Orleans was the only place the Indians would let him
have. It was so wet, and the mosquitoes were so bad, they didn't want
it. It's mostly under sea level, nestled between a loop in the
Mississippi and Lake Pontchartrain.

Post by NunYa Bidness
Fill that hole in! Instead of raising levees, raise the dang town
surface!

I'll have to do the math on that. Say, 100 square miles of dirt, (the
whole city is about 360 sq mi, but you wouldn't do it all) average
maybe 12 or so feet thick. OK, roughly a trillion cubic yards.
John

Oops, that's more like a billion. That's feasible.

John

[John Popelish]

Post by John Larkin
On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 16:04:33 -0700, John Larkin

Post by John Larkin
I'll have to do the math on that. Say, 100 square miles of dirt, (the
whole city is about 360 sq mi, but you wouldn't do it all) average
maybe 12 or so feet thick. OK, roughly a trillion cubic yards.

Oops, that's more like a billion. That's feasible.

Waterways are dredged of that kind of material routinely, and beach
renovation often gets to that kind of volume. The difficulty is
getting the existing building owners to let you put dirt on their
property. Once a storm scrapes all the buildings off, it will get
easier to accomplish such an earth movement project. But it will go
down again, anyway. I think the delta is about a half mile thick in
that area, and it continuously compacts and rots and sags toward the
gulf as the river delivers more material. We need another copy or two
of this storm in the next month or so to get people to begin to
realize that there shouldn't have been anyone living there in anything
bigger than a tent, to begin with.

[Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover"]

Post by John Popelish

Post by John Larkin
On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 16:04:33 -0700, John Larkin

Post by John Larkin
I'll have to do the math on that. Say, 100 square miles of dirt, (the
whole city is about 360 sq mi, but you wouldn't do it all) average
maybe 12 or so feet thick. OK, roughly a trillion cubic yards.

Oops, that's more like a billion. That's feasible.

Waterways are dredged of that kind of material routinely, and beach
renovation often gets to that kind of volume. The difficulty is
getting the existing building owners to let you put dirt on their
property. Once a storm scrapes all the buildings off, it will get
easier to accomplish such an earth movement project. But it will go
down again, anyway. I think the delta is about a half mile thick in
that area, and it continuously compacts and rots and sags toward the
gulf as the river delivers more material. We need another copy or two
of this storm in the next month or so to get people to begin to
realize that there shouldn't have been anyone living there in anything
bigger than a tent, to begin with.

That's what the gummint keeps telling the residents of the coastline of
the Carolinas, but they still keep rebuilding after every storm.

[NunYa Bidness]

On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:39:52 -0700, "Watson A.Name - \"Watt Sun, the

Post by Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover"

Post by John Popelish

Post by John Larkin
On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 16:04:33 -0700, John Larkin

Post by John Larkin
I'll have to do the math on that. Say, 100 square miles of dirt,

(the

Post by John Popelish

Post by John Larkin

Post by John Larkin
whole city is about 360 sq mi, but you wouldn't do it all) average
maybe 12 or so feet thick. OK, roughly a trillion cubic yards.

Oops, that's more like a billion. That's feasible.

Waterways are dredged of that kind of material routinely, and beach
renovation often gets to that kind of volume. The difficulty is
getting the existing building owners to let you put dirt on their
property. Once a storm scrapes all the buildings off, it will get
easier to accomplish such an earth movement project. But it will go
down again, anyway. I think the delta is about a half mile thick in
that area, and it continuously compacts and rots and sags toward the
gulf as the river delivers more material. We need another copy or two
of this storm in the next month or so to get people to begin to
realize that there shouldn't have been anyone living there in anything
bigger than a tent, to begin with.

That's what the gummint keeps telling the residents of the coastline of
the Carolinas, but they still keep rebuilding after every storm.

Perhaps they should drive 150 stakes in the ground on the corners of
their houses/buildings, and build barges under their houses like they
have in Holland. No more flooding... Have to make 'em strong though.

[John Larkin]

On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:39:52 -0700, "Watson A.Name - \"Watt Sun, the

Post by Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover"

Post by John Popelish

Post by John Larkin
On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 16:04:33 -0700, John Larkin

Post by John Larkin
I'll have to do the math on that. Say, 100 square miles of dirt,

(the

Post by John Popelish

Post by John Larkin

Post by John Larkin
whole city is about 360 sq mi, but you wouldn't do it all) average
maybe 12 or so feet thick. OK, roughly a trillion cubic yards.

Oops, that's more like a billion. That's feasible.

Waterways are dredged of that kind of material routinely, and beach
renovation often gets to that kind of volume. The difficulty is
getting the existing building owners to let you put dirt on their
property. Once a storm scrapes all the buildings off, it will get
easier to accomplish such an earth movement project. But it will go
down again, anyway. I think the delta is about a half mile thick in
that area, and it continuously compacts and rots and sags toward the
gulf as the river delivers more material. We need another copy or two
of this storm in the next month or so to get people to begin to
realize that there shouldn't have been anyone living there in anything
bigger than a tent, to begin with.

That's what the gummint keeps telling the residents of the coastline of
the Carolinas, but they still keep rebuilding after every storm.

Without federally-subsidized flood insurance, they wouldn't.

John

[Robert]

Post by John Popelish

Post by John Larkin
On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 16:04:33 -0700, John Larkin

Post by John Larkin
I'll have to do the math on that. Say, 100 square miles of dirt, (the
whole city is about 360 sq mi, but you wouldn't do it all) average
maybe 12 or so feet thick. OK, roughly a trillion cubic yards.

Oops, that's more like a billion. That's feasible.

Waterways are dredged of that kind of material routinely, and beach
renovation often gets to that kind of volume. The difficulty is getting
the existing building owners to let you put dirt on their property. Once
a storm scrapes all the buildings off, it will get easier to accomplish
such an earth movement project. But it will go down again, anyway. I
think the delta is about a half mile thick in that area, and it
continuously compacts and rots and sags toward the gulf as the river
delivers more material. We need another copy or two of this storm in the
next month or so to get people to begin to realize that there shouldn't
have been anyone living there in anything bigger than a tent, to begin
with.

Same thing happened with Seattle Washington.

The city was built on a Tidal Flat at Sea level. Every time the tide came in
a lot of the toilets flowed backwards. When the big fire in 1889 happened
they decided to raise the city to assist gravity flow out into the bay. A
lot of the business owners didn't go along with it. So they filled in the
streets with as much as 40 feet of dirt which they did control. You could
come out of a business climb up 40 feet to street level, cross the street,
then climb another ladder down 40 feet to the business entrance there. After
a while businesses built ramps from the second or third floors over to the
street and covered up the gap. That made the lower floors of the buildings
storage or other (sometimes shady) uses. They have tours of the old
"underground" part of Seattle nowadays.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_Underground_Tour

Robert

[R10000]

Post by John Larkin
On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 16:04:33 -0700, John Larkin

Post by John Larkin
On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 21:58:08 GMT, NunYa Bidness

Post by NunYa Bidness
On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 14:13:37 -0700, John Larkin

Post by John Larkin
On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 12:50:40 -0700, Jim Thompson

Post by Jim Thompson
The JERK on Air America is saying that we should ask other countries
to help us with the hurricane aftermath.
Bwahahahahahahaha!
Leftists are just plain IGNORANT nay sayers, and village idiots.
...Jim Thompson

Well, if all the ships in the Gulf and the mid-Atlantic rushed up the
river and tied up along the levee, they could all start pumping.
I grew up on Broadway in New Orleans, about 4 blocks from the river.
On a good spring day you could stand on my street and look *up* at
ships on the Mississippi, just the other side of the levee.

Scary... Stupid scary that a town would live there.

The legend is that Bienville was looking for a place to settle a small
colony, and New Orleans was the only place the Indians would let him
have. It was so wet, and the mosquitoes were so bad, they didn't want
it. It's mostly under sea level, nestled between a loop in the
Mississippi and Lake Pontchartrain.

Post by NunYa Bidness
Fill that hole in! Instead of raising levees, raise the dang town
surface!

I'll have to do the math on that. Say, 100 square miles of dirt, (the
whole city is about 360 sq mi, but you wouldn't do it all) average
maybe 12 or so feet thick. OK, roughly a trillion cubic yards.
John

Oops, that's more like a billion. That's feasible.
John

you could use all that sand you contaminated with depleted-uranium oxide in
iraq & afghanistan,
there's enough of it to raise the whole state well above sea level and
provide free underfloor heating and radiotherapy for cancerpatients!

[John Larkin]

Post by R10000

Post by John Larkin
On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 16:04:33 -0700, John Larkin

Post by John Larkin
On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 21:58:08 GMT, NunYa Bidness

Post by NunYa Bidness
On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 14:13:37 -0700, John Larkin

Post by John Larkin
On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 12:50:40 -0700, Jim Thompson

Post by Jim Thompson
The JERK on Air America is saying that we should ask other countries
to help us with the hurricane aftermath.
Bwahahahahahahaha!
Leftists are just plain IGNORANT nay sayers, and village idiots.
...Jim Thompson

Well, if all the ships in the Gulf and the mid-Atlantic rushed up the
river and tied up along the levee, they could all start pumping.
I grew up on Broadway in New Orleans, about 4 blocks from the river.
On a good spring day you could stand on my street and look *up* at
ships on the Mississippi, just the other side of the levee.

Scary... Stupid scary that a town would live there.

The legend is that Bienville was looking for a place to settle a small
colony, and New Orleans was the only place the Indians would let him
have. It was so wet, and the mosquitoes were so bad, they didn't want
it. It's mostly under sea level, nestled between a loop in the
Mississippi and Lake Pontchartrain.

Post by NunYa Bidness
Fill that hole in! Instead of raising levees, raise the dang town
surface!

I'll have to do the math on that. Say, 100 square miles of dirt, (the
whole city is about 360 sq mi, but you wouldn't do it all) average
maybe 12 or so feet thick. OK, roughly a trillion cubic yards.
John

Oops, that's more like a billion. That's feasible.
John

you could use all that sand you contaminated with depleted-uranium oxide in
iraq & afghanistan,
there's enough of it to raise the whole state well above sea level and
provide free underfloor heating and radiotherapy for cancerpatients!

DU would be an improvement over some of the muck that's there now. And
maybe uranium is toxic to fire ants and taiwanese termites.

DU of course isn't especially radioactive and certainly isn't hot.

John

[NunYa Bidness]

On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 21:05:00 -0700, John Larkin

Post by John Larkin

Post by R10000

Post by John Larkin
On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 16:04:33 -0700, John Larkin

Post by John Larkin
On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 21:58:08 GMT, NunYa Bidness

Post by NunYa Bidness
On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 14:13:37 -0700, John Larkin

Post by John Larkin
On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 12:50:40 -0700, Jim Thompson

Post by Jim Thompson
The JERK on Air America is saying that we should ask other countries
to help us with the hurricane aftermath.
Bwahahahahahahaha!
Leftists are just plain IGNORANT nay sayers, and village idiots.
...Jim Thompson

Well, if all the ships in the Gulf and the mid-Atlantic rushed up the
river and tied up along the levee, they could all start pumping.
I grew up on Broadway in New Orleans, about 4 blocks from the river.
On a good spring day you could stand on my street and look *up* at
ships on the Mississippi, just the other side of the levee.

Scary... Stupid scary that a town would live there.

The legend is that Bienville was looking for a place to settle a small
colony, and New Orleans was the only place the Indians would let him
have. It was so wet, and the mosquitoes were so bad, they didn't want
it. It's mostly under sea level, nestled between a loop in the
Mississippi and Lake Pontchartrain.

Post by NunYa Bidness
Fill that hole in! Instead of raising levees, raise the dang town
surface!

I'll have to do the math on that. Say, 100 square miles of dirt, (the
whole city is about 360 sq mi, but you wouldn't do it all) average
maybe 12 or so feet thick. OK, roughly a trillion cubic yards.
John

Oops, that's more like a billion. That's feasible.
John

you could use all that sand you contaminated with depleted-uranium oxide in
iraq & afghanistan,
there's enough of it to raise the whole state well above sea level and
provide free underfloor heating and radiotherapy for cancerpatients!

DU would be an improvement over some of the muck that's there now. And
maybe uranium is toxic to fire ants and taiwanese termites.
DU of course isn't especially radioactive and certainly isn't hot.

The word for today is... DEPLETED

[marc182]

Post by NunYa Bidness
On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 21:05:00 -0700, John Larkin

Post by John Larkin

Post by R10000

Post by John Larkin
On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 16:04:33 -0700, John Larkin

Post by John Larkin
On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 21:58:08 GMT, NunYa Bidness

Post by NunYa Bidness
On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 14:13:37 -0700, John Larkin

Post by John Larkin
On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 12:50:40 -0700, Jim Thompson

Post by Jim Thompson
The JERK on Air America is saying that we should ask other countries
to help us with the hurricane aftermath.
Bwahahahahahahaha!
Leftists are just plain IGNORANT nay sayers, and village idiots.
...Jim Thompson

Well, if all the ships in the Gulf and the mid-Atlantic rushed up the
river and tied up along the levee, they could all start pumping.
I grew up on Broadway in New Orleans, about 4 blocks from the river.
On a good spring day you could stand on my street and look *up* at
ships on the Mississippi, just the other side of the levee.

Scary... Stupid scary that a town would live there.

The legend is that Bienville was looking for a place to settle a small
colony, and New Orleans was the only place the Indians would let him
have. It was so wet, and the mosquitoes were so bad, they didn't want
it. It's mostly under sea level, nestled between a loop in the
Mississippi and Lake Pontchartrain.

Post by NunYa Bidness
Fill that hole in! Instead of raising levees, raise the dang town
surface!

I'll have to do the math on that. Say, 100 square miles of dirt, (the
whole city is about 360 sq mi, but you wouldn't do it all) average
maybe 12 or so feet thick. OK, roughly a trillion cubic yards.
John

Oops, that's more like a billion. That's feasible.
John

you could use all that sand you contaminated with depleted-uranium oxide in
iraq & afghanistan,
there's enough of it to raise the whole state well above sea level and
provide free underfloor heating and radiotherapy for cancerpatients!

DU would be an improvement over some of the muck that's there now. And
maybe uranium is toxic to fire ants and taiwanese termites.
DU of course isn't especially radioactive and certainly isn't hot.

The word for today is... DEPLETED

DU, or any isotope of uranium, is a heavy metal and is chemically toxic.
Any uranium that hasn't spend time in a reactor or bomb isn't especially
radioactive; however, even a slow alpha emitter like uranium, atomized
and embedded in your lungs, is a guaranteed case of lung cancer. The
stuff has it's uses, including shooting bad-guys' tanks, but don't treat
it lightly.

Marc

[John Woodgate]

Post by marc182
DU, or any isotope of uranium, is a heavy metal and is chemically toxic.

Quite true, but 'toxic' covers a huge range of pathological effects. I
looked on the web for a table of toxicities, but I found too many kook
sites with BAD information.

Zinc, of course, is in favour with the health-food-and-supplements
people, but its big brothers are not. Cadmium will kill you at 100 m
distance, while mercury will run after you to kill you. (;-)

Then there's beryllium, which is not 'heavy' at all, but is very toxic
indeed. And lithium, which is even less heavy, is neurotropic and not to
be taken 'lightly'.

My 'over 50's' supplement contains iron (which we definitely can't do
without, but over 50's need less), magnesium, zinc, copper, manganese,
chromium, molybdenum, selenium, nickel, tin and vanadium. Plus vitamin
B12, which contains cobalt. No unobtanium.

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 11:46:05 +0100, John Woodgate

Post by John Woodgate

Post by marc182
DU, or any isotope of uranium, is a heavy metal and is chemically toxic.

Quite true, but 'toxic' covers a huge range of pathological effects. I
looked on the web for a table of toxicities, but I found too many kook
sites with BAD information.
Zinc, of course, is in favour with the health-food-and-supplements
people, but its big brothers are not. Cadmium will kill you at 100 m
distance, while mercury will run after you to kill you. (;-)
Then there's beryllium, which is not 'heavy' at all, but is very toxic
indeed. And lithium, which is even less heavy, is neurotropic and not to
be taken 'lightly'.
My 'over 50's' supplement contains iron (which we definitely can't do
without, but over 50's need less), magnesium, zinc, copper, manganese,
chromium, molybdenum, selenium, nickel, tin and vanadium. Plus vitamin
B12, which contains cobalt. No unobtanium.

Many of the exotics are necessary for health or even life, but are
deadly poisonous at decent concentrations. I always marvel that human
chemistry has found uses for bizarre things like vanadium.

John

[John Woodgate]

I read in alt.binaries.schematics.electronic that John Larkin

Post by John Larkin
Many of the exotics are necessary for health or even life, but are
deadly poisonous at decent concentrations.

Indecent.

Post by John Larkin
I always marvel that human chemistry has found uses for bizarre things
like vanadium.

It's no more bizarre than oxygen. Muonium, that's bizarre.

[NunYa Bidness]

On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 11:46:05 +0100, John Woodgate

Post by John Woodgate
Then there's beryllium, which is not 'heavy' at all, but is very toxic
indeed. And lithium, which is even less heavy, is neurotropic and not to
be taken 'lightly'.

Remeber the Beryllium ceramic transistor insulators?

Cut your finger on the edge of one... die shortly thereafter.

I think they were colored purple to signify the danger.

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 17:02:43 GMT, NunYa Bidness

Post by John Larkin
On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 11:46:05 +0100, John Woodgate

Post by John Woodgate
Then there's beryllium, which is not 'heavy' at all, but is very toxic
indeed. And lithium, which is even less heavy, is neurotropic and not to
be taken 'lightly'.

Remeber the Beryllium ceramic transistor insulators?

You can still buy BeO cut to size. It's not even very expensive. But
AlN is almost as thermally conductive and has lower Er, so is optimum
in many applications and not toxic.

Post by John Larkin
Cut your finger on the edge of one... die shortly thereafter.

Really?

Post by John Larkin
I think they were colored purple to signify the danger.

All the ones I have are white.

John

[NunYa Bidness]

On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:15:14 -0700, John Larkin

Post by John Larkin
On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 17:02:43 GMT, NunYa Bidness

Post by John Larkin
On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 11:46:05 +0100, John Woodgate

Post by John Woodgate
Then there's beryllium, which is not 'heavy' at all, but is very toxic
indeed. And lithium, which is even less heavy, is neurotropic and not to
be taken 'lightly'.

Remeber the Beryllium ceramic transistor insulators?

You can still buy BeO cut to size. It's not even very expensive. But
AlN is almost as thermally conductive and has lower Er, so is optimum
in many applications and not toxic.

Post by John Larkin
Cut your finger on the edge of one... die shortly thereafter.

Really?

Well... that's what I was told, and I trusted the knowledge of the
engineer that was decades into it more than I.

Post by John Larkin

Post by John Larkin
I think they were colored purple to signify the danger.

All the ones I have are white.

Perhaps we should both google a bit... :-]

[Jim DeClercq]

Why so much cross posting?

There is a whole book on the problem of beryllium. The stated
safe amounts are safe for most people, but some people get
somehow bothered by the tiniest bits, and nobody can
esplain why in techical terms. Brush Beryllium was sort of a
local company, so I read up on the topic.

Look for a book titled Beryllium. I am not dead, and I do
remember those nice ceramic insulators, and may have a few
left around. I also know what lithium carbonate is for, and
is sort of neurotropic, but not much.

Jim

NunYa Bidness <Youdon'tgettoreply> writes:

: On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 11:46:05 +0100, John Woodgate
: <***@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> Gave us:

: >Then there's beryllium, which is not 'heavy' at all, but is very toxic
: >indeed. And lithium, which is even less heavy, is neurotropic and not to
: >be taken 'lightly'.

: Remeber the Beryllium ceramic transistor insulators?

: Cut your finger on the edge of one... die shortly thereafter.

: I think they were colored purple to signify the danger.

[NunYa Bidness]

On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 17:28:15 +0000 (UTC), Jim DeClercq

Post by Jim DeClercq
Why so much cross posting?

The original poster, I suppose.

Post by Jim DeClercq
There is a whole book on the problem of beryllium. The stated
safe amounts are safe for most people, but some people get
somehow bothered by the tiniest bits, and nobody can
esplain why in techical terms. Brush Beryllium was sort of a
local company, so I read up on the topic.
Look for a book titled Beryllium. I am not dead, and I do
remember those nice ceramic insulators, and may have a few
left around.

Ever cut your finger open with one?

Post by Jim DeClercq
I also know what lithium carbonate is for, and
is sort of neurotropic, but not much.

http://yarchive.net/electr/beryllia_insulators.html

One article I found.

Try learning about Usenet. Try to refrain from top posting.

[John Woodgate]

I read in alt.binaries.schematics.electronic that Jim DeClercq

I also know what lithium carbonate is for, and is sort of neurotropic,
but not much.

It kept my friend's mother-in-law on this planet rather than in goo-goo
land.

[John Woodgate]

I read in alt.binaries.schematics.electronic that NunYa Bidness

Post by John Larkin
On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 11:46:05 +0100, John Woodgate

Post by John Woodgate
Then there's beryllium, which is not 'heavy' at all, but is very toxic
indeed. And lithium, which is even less heavy, is neurotropic and not to
be taken 'lightly'.

Remeber the Beryllium ceramic transistor insulators?
Cut your finger on the edge of one... die shortly thereafter.
I think they were colored purple to signify the danger.

I think that's another urban myth. BeO is very slightly soluble in water
(20 ppm or so), and if you ate an insulator (very crunchy) it would not
be good, but just occasional contact, with proper hand washing, isn't
likely to present problems. The dust, however, is very nasty if inhaled
over a period of days.

[NunYa Bidness]

On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 18:28:56 +0100, John Woodgate

Post by John Woodgate
I read in alt.binaries.schematics.electronic that NunYa Bidness

Post by John Larkin
On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 11:46:05 +0100, John Woodgate

Post by John Woodgate
Then there's beryllium, which is not 'heavy' at all, but is very toxic
indeed. And lithium, which is even less heavy, is neurotropic and not to
be taken 'lightly'.

Remeber the Beryllium ceramic transistor insulators?
Cut your finger on the edge of one... die shortly thereafter.
I think they were colored purple to signify the danger.

I think that's another urban myth. BeO is very slightly soluble in water
(20 ppm or so), and if you ate an insulator (very crunchy) it would not
be good, but just occasional contact, with proper hand washing, isn't
likely to present problems. The dust, however, is very nasty if inhaled
over a period of days.

Cutting one's finger with it is likely not good then.

[NunYa Bidness]

On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 11:46:05 +0100, John Woodgate

Post by John Woodgate
No unobtanium.

Yeah... it's getting as hard to find as authentic absinthe.

[Mark Harriss]

Post by marc182
DU, or any isotope of uranium, is a heavy metal and is chemically toxic.
Any uranium that hasn't spend time in a reactor or bomb isn't especially
radioactive; however, even a slow alpha emitter like uranium, atomized
and embedded in your lungs, is a guaranteed case of lung cancer. The
stuff has it's uses, including shooting bad-guys' tanks, but don't treat
it lightly.
Marc

You are aware of course that any lead under about
50 years of age is an alpha particle emitter?.

[John Woodgate]

I read in alt.binaries.schematics.electronic that Mark Harriss

Post by Mark Harriss

Post by marc182
DU, or any isotope of uranium, is a heavy metal and is chemically
toxic. Any uranium that hasn't spend time in a reactor or bomb isn't
especially radioactive; however, even a slow alpha emitter like
uranium, atomized and embedded in your lungs, is a guaranteed case of
lung cancer. The stuff has it's uses, including shooting bad-guys'
tanks, but don't treat it lightly.
Marc

You are aware of course that any lead under about
50 years of age is an alpha particle emitter?.

Apart from the very small amount resulting from radioactive decay (all
the radioactive elements are very rare compared with natural lead), all
the lead around is more than 5 billion years old, since it was made in
the supernovae that seeded the primordial solar gas cloud with heavy
metals.

[Mark Harriss]

Post by John Woodgate
Apart from the very small amount resulting from radioactive decay (all
the radioactive elements are very rare compared with natural lead), all
the lead around is more than 5 billion years old, since it was made in
the supernovae that seeded the primordial solar gas cloud with heavy
metals.

I did phrase that wrongly: lead that has been smelted from ore for
less than 50 years. It's predicted to be a major problem once digital
semiconductor devices are made below a certain scale as the solder
will cause random errors due to alpha emission. After all lead is a
daughter decay product of uranium anyway.

[John Woodgate]

I read in alt.binaries.schematics.electronic that Mark Harriss

Post by Mark Harriss
I did phrase that wrongly: lead that has been smelted from ore for
less than 50 years.

I heard about that a number of years ago; stories of old lead from
church roofs being bought up. But it may be an urban myth; not all lead
ores contain enough heavier elements to matter. And it surely isn't that
difficult to refine them out, considering how pure they get the silicon
these days.

Post by Mark Harriss
It's predicted to be a major problem once digital semiconductor devices
are made below a certain scale as the solder
will cause random errors due to alpha emission. After all lead is a
daughter decay product of uranium anyway.

Yes, but not ONLY a decay product. Your friendly neighbourhood supernova
will make you a billion tons any day of the week. (;-)

[R10000]

Post by John Larkin
DU would be an improvement over some of the muck that's there now. And
maybe uranium is toxic to fire ants and taiwanese termites.
DU of course isn't especially radioactive and certainly isn't hot.
John

DU is radioactive, and is hot.
it's transported in water-filled containers with lead shields and is only
depleted of one isotope that is needed for nuclear fission.

[John Woodgate]

I read in alt.binaries.schematics.electronic that R10000

Post by R10000

Post by John Larkin
DU would be an improvement over some of the muck that's there now. And
maybe uranium is toxic to fire ants and taiwanese termites.
DU of course isn't especially radioactive and certainly isn't hot.
John

DU is radioactive, and is hot.
it's transported in water-filled containers with lead shields and is only
depleted of one isotope that is needed for nuclear fission.

You must live in a different Universe, with a different value for
Planck's Constant.

[John Larkin]

Post by R10000

Post by John Larkin
DU would be an improvement over some of the muck that's there now. And
maybe uranium is toxic to fire ants and taiwanese termites.
DU of course isn't especially radioactive and certainly isn't hot.
John

DU is radioactive, and is hot.
it's transported in water-filled containers with lead shields and is only
depleted of one isotope that is needed for nuclear fission.

Hell, I've handled barbell-sized solid fuel rods of mildly enriched,
solid uranium (used in a research reactor) and they felt cold to me.

How do those tanks in Iraq make any speed, with their ammo trailing
behind them in a water-filled lead truck?

John

[R10000]

Post by John Larkin

Post by R10000

Post by John Larkin
DU would be an improvement over some of the muck that's there now.
And maybe uranium is toxic to fire ants and taiwanese termites.
DU of course isn't especially radioactive and certainly isn't hot.
John

DU is radioactive, and is hot.
it's transported in water-filled containers with lead shields and is
only depleted of one isotope that is needed for nuclear fission.

Hell, I've handled barbell-sized solid fuel rods of mildly enriched,
solid uranium (used in a research reactor) and they felt cold to me.
How do those tanks in Iraq make any speed, with their ammo trailing
behind them in a water-filled lead truck?
John

the dont, the crews die of cancer after they leave the millitary,
just ask the vets groups how many have died since iraq-1.

and the term "hot" is not about thermal emissions, it's a reference to
radiation emissions.

i worked for a rail network that transported the shit from powerstations to
the storage plant.

[Pooh Bear]

Post by R10000
i worked for a rail network that transported the shit from powerstations to
the storage plant.

That's *not* _depleted_ Uranium !

Fuel that's been in a reactor is indeed very radioactive because it contains
lots of fission products.

Graham

[John Larkin]

Post by R10000

Post by John Larkin

Post by R10000

Post by John Larkin
DU would be an improvement over some of the muck that's there now.
And maybe uranium is toxic to fire ants and taiwanese termites.
DU of course isn't especially radioactive and certainly isn't hot.
John

DU is radioactive, and is hot.
it's transported in water-filled containers with lead shields and is
only depleted of one isotope that is needed for nuclear fission.

Hell, I've handled barbell-sized solid fuel rods of mildly enriched,
solid uranium (used in a research reactor) and they felt cold to me.
How do those tanks in Iraq make any speed, with their ammo trailing
behind them in a water-filled lead truck?
John

the dont, the crews die of cancer after they leave the millitary,
just ask the vets groups how many have died since iraq-1.
and the term "hot" is not about thermal emissions, it's a reference to
radiation emissions.
i worked for a rail network that transported the shit from powerstations to
the storage plant.

What use would a reactor have for DU? Used fuel rods are a different
animal entirely.

DU is a very weak alpha emitter.

John

[NunYa Bidness]

Post by R10000

Post by John Larkin

Post by R10000

Post by John Larkin
DU would be an improvement over some of the muck that's there now.
And maybe uranium is toxic to fire ants and taiwanese termites.
DU of course isn't especially radioactive and certainly isn't hot.
John

DU is radioactive, and is hot.
it's transported in water-filled containers with lead shields and is
only depleted of one isotope that is needed for nuclear fission.

Hell, I've handled barbell-sized solid fuel rods of mildly enriched,
solid uranium (used in a research reactor) and they felt cold to me.
How do those tanks in Iraq make any speed, with their ammo trailing
behind them in a water-filled lead truck?
John

the dont, the crews die of cancer after they leave the millitary,
just ask the vets groups how many have died since iraq-1.

You have been reading way too many of the wrong propaganda bullshit.

Post by R10000
and the term "hot" is not about thermal emissions, it's a reference to
radiation emissions.

It is not hot. Period. Get used to it.

Post by R10000
i worked for a rail network that transported the shit from powerstations to
the storage plant.

Past tense being the key here. They likely let yer lame ass go
after finding out you are a friggin' loon.

[Chuck Harris]

Post by R10000
the dont, the crews die of cancer after they leave the millitary,
just ask the vets groups how many have died since iraq-1.
and the term "hot" is not about thermal emissions, it's a reference to
radiation emissions.
i worked for a rail network that transported the shit from powerstations to
the storage plant.

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing....

You are *very* dangerous!

-Chuck

[NunYa Bidness]

On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 08:09:14 -0700, John Larkin

Post by John Larkin

Post by R10000

Post by John Larkin
DU would be an improvement over some of the muck that's there now. And
maybe uranium is toxic to fire ants and taiwanese termites.
DU of course isn't especially radioactive and certainly isn't hot.
John

DU is radioactive, and is hot.
it's transported in water-filled containers with lead shields and is only
depleted of one isotope that is needed for nuclear fission.

Hell, I've handled barbell-sized solid fuel rods of mildly enriched,
solid uranium (used in a research reactor) and they felt cold to me.
How do those tanks in Iraq make any speed, with their ammo trailing
behind them in a water-filled lead truck?

Heheheheheheh... hilariously funny. The guy is a loon.

[Pooh Bear]

Post by R10000

Post by John Larkin
DU would be an improvement over some of the muck that's there now. And
maybe uranium is toxic to fire ants and taiwanese termites.
DU of course isn't especially radioactive and certainly isn't hot.
John

DU is radioactive, and is hot.
it's transported in water-filled containers with lead shields and is only
depleted of one isotope that is needed for nuclear fission.

Obviously rubbish or Boeing wouldn't use it as a counter-weight in 747s for
example.

Graham

[NunYa Bidness]

Post by R10000

Post by John Larkin
DU would be an improvement over some of the muck that's there now. And
maybe uranium is toxic to fire ants and taiwanese termites.
DU of course isn't especially radioactive and certainly isn't hot.
John

DU is radioactive, and is hot.
it's transported in water-filled containers with lead shields and is only
depleted of one isotope that is needed for nuclear fission.

I have concluded that you are an idiot.

[Chuck Harris]

Post by R10000
you could use all that sand you contaminated with depleted-uranium oxide in
iraq & afghanistan,
there's enough of it to raise the whole state well above sea level and
provide free underfloor heating and radiotherapy for cancerpatients!

Du is not radioactive.

[Pooh Bear]

Post by Chuck Harris

Post by R10000
you could use all that sand you contaminated with depleted-uranium oxide in
iraq & afghanistan,
there's enough of it to raise the whole state well above sea level and
provide free underfloor heating and radiotherapy for cancerpatients!

Du is not radioactive.

Not so fast. DU is simply *depleted* . It still contains some U235.

The main danger from it is toxicity however.


Graham

[Chuck Harris]

Post by Pooh Bear

Post by Chuck Harris

Post by R10000
you could use all that sand you contaminated with depleted-uranium oxide in
iraq & afghanistan,
there's enough of it to raise the whole state well above sea level and
provide free underfloor heating and radiotherapy for cancerpatients!

Du is not radioactive.

Not so fast. DU is simply *depleted* . It still contains some U235.

Sure, but with a half-life in the billions of years, it doesn't contain enough to
matter much:

"Depleted Uranium

In military applications, when alloyed, Depleted Uranium [DU] is ideal for use
in armor penetrators. These solid metal projectiles have the speed, mass and
physical properties to perform exceptionally well against armored targets. DU provides
a substantial performance advantage, well above other competing materials. This allows
DU penetrators to defeat an armored target at a significantly greater distance.
Also, DU's density and physical properties make it ideal for use as armor plate. DU has
been used in weapon systems for many years in both applications.

Depleted uranium results from the enriching of natural uranium for use in nuclear reactors.
Natural uranium is a slightly radioactive metal that is present in most rocks and soils as well
as in many rivers and sea water. Natural uranium consists primarily of a mixture of two isotopes
(forms) of uranium, Uranium-235 (U235) and Uranium-238 (U238), in the proportion of about
0.7 and 99.3 percent, respectively. Nuclear reactors require U235 to produce energy,
therefore, the natural uranium has to be enriched to obtain the isotope U235 by removing
a large part of the U238. Uranium-238 becomes DU, which is 0.7 times as radioactive as
natural uranium. Since DU has a half-life of 4.5 billion years, there is very little decay of those
DU materials. "

- http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/du.htm

The above quote has a small error in it. DU is 0.7% as radioactive as natural uranium. If you
take a piece of DU and measure it with a geiger counter, you will notice *NO* activity above
background, which is of course because U238 isn't a beta or gamma emitter. If you put it under
an alpha counter, it will barely lift the needle off of the stops in the most sensitive range. You
get more activity from the radium in Brazil nuts.

-Chuck

[R10000]

Post by Chuck Harris

Post by Pooh Bear

Post by Chuck Harris

Post by R10000
you could use all that sand you contaminated with depleted-uranium
oxide in iraq & afghanistan,
there's enough of it to raise the whole state well above sea level
and provide free underfloor heating and radiotherapy for
cancerpatients!

Du is not radioactive.

Not so fast. DU is simply *depleted* . It still contains some U235.

Sure, but with a half-life in the billions of years, it doesn't
"Depleted Uranium
In military applications, when alloyed, Depleted Uranium [DU] is ideal for use
in armor penetrators. These solid metal projectiles have the speed, mass and
physical properties to perform exceptionally well against armored
targets. DU provides a substantial performance advantage, well above
other competing materials. This allows DU penetrators to defeat an
armored target at a significantly greater distance. Also, DU's density
and physical properties make it ideal for use as armor plate. DU has
been used in weapon systems for many years in both applications.
Depleted uranium results from the enriching of natural uranium
for use in nuclear reactors.
Natural uranium is a slightly radioactive metal that is present in
most rocks and soils as well as in many rivers and sea water. Natural
uranium consists primarily of a mixture of two isotopes (forms) of
uranium, Uranium-235 (U235) and Uranium-238 (U238), in the proportion
of about 0.7 and 99.3 percent, respectively. Nuclear reactors require
U235 to produce energy, therefore, the natural uranium has to be
enriched to obtain the isotope U235 by removing a large part of the
U238. Uranium-238 becomes DU, which is 0.7 times as radioactive as
natural uranium. Since DU has a half-life of 4.5 billion years, there
is very little decay of those DU materials. "
- http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/du.htm
The above quote has a small error in it. DU is 0.7% as radioactive as
natural uranium. If you take a piece of DU and measure it with a
geiger counter, you will notice *NO* activity above background, which
is of course because U238 isn't a beta or gamma emitter. If you put
it under an alpha counter, it will barely lift the needle off of the
stops in the most sensitive range. You get more activity from the
radium in Brazil nuts.
-Chuck

the quote has a lot of errors in it,
DU is not used because of it's mass,
it is used because it's free and because it burns at over 5000 degrees.
it is not an impact penetrator, it burns a hole into the target and burns
the oxygen inside with the heat often detonating the magazine aswell.

[John Larkin]

Post by R10000

Post by Chuck Harris

Post by Pooh Bear

Post by Chuck Harris

Post by R10000
you could use all that sand you contaminated with depleted-uranium
oxide in iraq & afghanistan,
there's enough of it to raise the whole state well above sea level
and provide free underfloor heating and radiotherapy for
cancerpatients!

Du is not radioactive.

Not so fast. DU is simply *depleted* . It still contains some U235.

Sure, but with a half-life in the billions of years, it doesn't
"Depleted Uranium
In military applications, when alloyed, Depleted Uranium [DU] is ideal for use
in armor penetrators. These solid metal projectiles have the speed, mass and
physical properties to perform exceptionally well against armored
targets. DU provides a substantial performance advantage, well above
other competing materials. This allows DU penetrators to defeat an
armored target at a significantly greater distance. Also, DU's density
and physical properties make it ideal for use as armor plate. DU has
been used in weapon systems for many years in both applications.
Depleted uranium results from the enriching of natural uranium
for use in nuclear reactors.
Natural uranium is a slightly radioactive metal that is present in
most rocks and soils as well as in many rivers and sea water. Natural
uranium consists primarily of a mixture of two isotopes (forms) of
uranium, Uranium-235 (U235) and Uranium-238 (U238), in the proportion
of about 0.7 and 99.3 percent, respectively. Nuclear reactors require
U235 to produce energy, therefore, the natural uranium has to be
enriched to obtain the isotope U235 by removing a large part of the
U238. Uranium-238 becomes DU, which is 0.7 times as radioactive as
natural uranium. Since DU has a half-life of 4.5 billion years, there
is very little decay of those DU materials. "
- http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/du.htm
The above quote has a small error in it. DU is 0.7% as radioactive as
natural uranium. If you take a piece of DU and measure it with a
geiger counter, you will notice *NO* activity above background, which
is of course because U238 isn't a beta or gamma emitter. If you put
it under an alpha counter, it will barely lift the needle off of the
stops in the most sensitive range. You get more activity from the
radium in Brazil nuts.
-Chuck

the quote has a lot of errors in it,
DU is not used because of it's mass,

Of course it is. Otherwise you could make cannon shells out anything
that burns, like magnesium or beeswax.

Post by R10000
it is used because it's free

Free?

Post by R10000
it is not an impact penetrator, it burns a hole into the target

Then how does it get inside? It would take an hour with the best
plasma torch around to penetrate good tank armor. And if it burned its
way in, it would need to suck up all the oxygen for many meters in all
directions, in a couple hundred microseconds. I think the speed of
sound gets involved here somewheres.

John

[Pooh Bear]

Post by John Larkin

Post by R10000
the quote has a lot of errors in it,
DU is not used because of it's mass,

Of course it is. Otherwise you could make cannon shells out anything
that burns, like magnesium or beeswax.

Post by R10000
it is used because it's free

Free?

Post by R10000
it is not an impact penetrator, it burns a hole into the target

Then how does it get inside? It would take an hour with the best
plasma torch around to penetrate good tank armor. And if it burned its
way in, it would need to suck up all the oxygen for many meters in all
directions, in a couple hundred microseconds. I think the speed of
sound gets involved here somewheres.

It's used as a part of shaped charges IIRC.

I think the idea is for the uranium to melt on impact.

Graham

[NunYa Bidness]

On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 17:22:55 +0100, Pooh Bear

Post by Pooh Bear

Post by John Larkin

Post by R10000
the quote has a lot of errors in it,
DU is not used because of it's mass,

Of course it is. Otherwise you could make cannon shells out anything
that burns, like magnesium or beeswax.

Post by R10000
it is used because it's free

Free?

Post by R10000
it is not an impact penetrator, it burns a hole into the target

Then how does it get inside? It would take an hour with the best
plasma torch around to penetrate good tank armor. And if it burned its
way in, it would need to suck up all the oxygen for many meters in all
directions, in a couple hundred microseconds. I think the speed of
sound gets involved here somewheres.

It's used as a part of shaped charges IIRC.

Not in the new sabot rounds. All that is needed is the DU dart.
No HE at all. A 20" DU dart with fins that is deadly accurate and
moves at 1500 meters per second. Not much will stop that.

Post by Pooh Bear
I think the idea is for the uranium to melt on impact.

Its like shooting BBs into a wax candle. Except that the BB melts
on its way through. Several pounds of hot metal spraying into your
tank interior.

You can expect your ordinance to go off as well.

Turret poppers! The history channel's docu of the gulf war
highlights the biggest tank battle ever, and the DU sabot round is
described. Nasty fucker.

A TU72 MBT takes ten seconds between rounds. That is way too long.

We didn't take a single hit, and destroyed a couple thousand tanks.

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that NunYa Bidness

Post by NunYa Bidness
You can expect your ordinance to go off as well.

Especially if your name is now Benedict.

[NunYa Bidness]

Post by R10000

Post by Chuck Harris

Post by Pooh Bear

Post by Chuck Harris

Post by R10000
you could use all that sand you contaminated with depleted-uranium
oxide in iraq & afghanistan,
there's enough of it to raise the whole state well above sea level
and provide free underfloor heating and radiotherapy for
cancerpatients!

Du is not radioactive.

Not so fast. DU is simply *depleted* . It still contains some U235.

Sure, but with a half-life in the billions of years, it doesn't
"Depleted Uranium
In military applications, when alloyed, Depleted Uranium [DU] is ideal for use
in armor penetrators. These solid metal projectiles have the speed, mass and
physical properties to perform exceptionally well against armored
targets. DU provides a substantial performance advantage, well above
other competing materials. This allows DU penetrators to defeat an
armored target at a significantly greater distance. Also, DU's density
and physical properties make it ideal for use as armor plate. DU has
been used in weapon systems for many years in both applications.
Depleted uranium results from the enriching of natural uranium
for use in nuclear reactors.
Natural uranium is a slightly radioactive metal that is present in
most rocks and soils as well as in many rivers and sea water. Natural
uranium consists primarily of a mixture of two isotopes (forms) of
uranium, Uranium-235 (U235) and Uranium-238 (U238), in the proportion
of about 0.7 and 99.3 percent, respectively. Nuclear reactors require
U235 to produce energy, therefore, the natural uranium has to be
enriched to obtain the isotope U235 by removing a large part of the
U238. Uranium-238 becomes DU, which is 0.7 times as radioactive as
natural uranium. Since DU has a half-life of 4.5 billion years, there
is very little decay of those DU materials. "
- http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/du.htm
The above quote has a small error in it. DU is 0.7% as radioactive as
natural uranium. If you take a piece of DU and measure it with a
geiger counter, you will notice *NO* activity above background, which
is of course because U238 isn't a beta or gamma emitter. If you put
it under an alpha counter, it will barely lift the needle off of the
stops in the most sensitive range. You get more activity from the
radium in Brazil nuts.
-Chuck

the quote has a lot of errors in it,
DU is not used because of it's mass,

Bullshit, dumbass. It IS used SPECIFICALLY because it is harder than
lead, yet is nearly as dense.

THAT makes it a great armor piercing dart.

Post by R10000
it is used because it's free and because it burns at over 5000 degrees.

It first has to make it to the other side of the armor, and THAT is
done with its mass, doofus.

Post by R10000
it is not an impact penetrator,

Bullshit.

Post by R10000
it burns a hole into the target and burns
the oxygen inside with the heat often detonating the magazine aswell.

Such burning ONLY occurs due to the high impact velocity, then the
mass takes over, shoving the remainder of the dart into the target,
while it is still burning.

I am surprised that Steve hasn't chimed in yet.

[John Woodgate]

I read in alt.binaries.schematics.electronic that NunYa Bidness

Post by NunYa Bidness
Bullshit, dumbass. It IS used SPECIFICALLY because it is harder than
lead, yet is nearly as dense.

Density of Pb = 11 gm/ml. Density of U = 19 gm/ml. Not many denser.

[NunYa Bidness]

On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 18:34:21 +0100, John Woodgate

Post by John Woodgate
I read in alt.binaries.schematics.electronic that NunYa Bidness

Post by NunYa Bidness
Bullshit, dumbass. It IS used SPECIFICALLY because it is harder than
lead, yet is nearly as dense.

Density of Pb = 11 gm/ml. Density of U = 19 gm/ml. Not many denser.

Looks like they made a great choice. Guess I should have included
the word "twice". :-]

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 08:20:55 -0400, Chuck Harris

Post by Chuck Harris

Post by Pooh Bear

Post by Chuck Harris

Post by R10000
you could use all that sand you contaminated with depleted-uranium oxide in
iraq & afghanistan,
there's enough of it to raise the whole state well above sea level and
provide free underfloor heating and radiotherapy for cancerpatients!

Du is not radioactive.

Not so fast. DU is simply *depleted* . It still contains some U235.

Sure, but with a half-life in the billions of years, it doesn't contain enough to
"Depleted Uranium
In military applications, when alloyed, Depleted Uranium [DU] is ideal for use
in armor penetrators. These solid metal projectiles have the speed, mass and
physical properties to perform exceptionally well against armored targets. DU provides
a substantial performance advantage, well above other competing materials. This allows
DU penetrators to defeat an armored target at a significantly greater distance.
Also, DU's density and physical properties make it ideal for use as armor plate. DU has
been used in weapon systems for many years in both applications.
Depleted uranium results from the enriching of natural uranium for use in nuclear reactors.
Natural uranium is a slightly radioactive metal that is present in most rocks and soils as well
as in many rivers and sea water. Natural uranium consists primarily of a mixture of two isotopes
(forms) of uranium, Uranium-235 (U235) and Uranium-238 (U238), in the proportion of about
0.7 and 99.3 percent, respectively. Nuclear reactors require U235 to produce energy,
therefore, the natural uranium has to be enriched to obtain the isotope U235 by removing
a large part of the U238. Uranium-238 becomes DU, which is 0.7 times as radioactive as
natural uranium. Since DU has a half-life of 4.5 billion years, there is very little decay of those
DU materials. "
- http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/du.htm
The above quote has a small error in it. DU is 0.7% as radioactive as natural uranium. If you
take a piece of DU and measure it with a geiger counter, you will notice *NO* activity above
background, which is of course because U238 isn't a beta or gamma emitter. If you put it under
an alpha counter, it will barely lift the needle off of the stops in the most sensitive range. You
get more activity from the radium in Brazil nuts.
-Chuck

It's the thorium-saturated Coleman lantern mantles that are really
hot.

John

[NunYa Bidness]

On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 08:11:47 -0700, John Larkin

Post by John Larkin
On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 08:20:55 -0400, Chuck Harris

Post by Chuck Harris

Post by Pooh Bear

Post by Chuck Harris

Post by R10000
you could use all that sand you contaminated with depleted-uranium oxide in
iraq & afghanistan,
there's enough of it to raise the whole state well above sea level and
provide free underfloor heating and radiotherapy for cancerpatients!

Du is not radioactive.

Not so fast. DU is simply *depleted* . It still contains some U235.

Sure, but with a half-life in the billions of years, it doesn't contain enough to
"Depleted Uranium
In military applications, when alloyed, Depleted Uranium [DU] is ideal for use
in armor penetrators. These solid metal projectiles have the speed, mass and
physical properties to perform exceptionally well against armored targets. DU provides
a substantial performance advantage, well above other competing materials. This allows
DU penetrators to defeat an armored target at a significantly greater distance.
Also, DU's density and physical properties make it ideal for use as armor plate. DU has
been used in weapon systems for many years in both applications.
Depleted uranium results from the enriching of natural uranium for use in nuclear reactors.
Natural uranium is a slightly radioactive metal that is present in most rocks and soils as well
as in many rivers and sea water. Natural uranium consists primarily of a mixture of two isotopes
(forms) of uranium, Uranium-235 (U235) and Uranium-238 (U238), in the proportion of about
0.7 and 99.3 percent, respectively. Nuclear reactors require U235 to produce energy,
therefore, the natural uranium has to be enriched to obtain the isotope U235 by removing
a large part of the U238. Uranium-238 becomes DU, which is 0.7 times as radioactive as
natural uranium. Since DU has a half-life of 4.5 billion years, there is very little decay of those
DU materials. "
- http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/du.htm
The above quote has a small error in it. DU is 0.7% as radioactive as natural uranium. If you
take a piece of DU and measure it with a geiger counter, you will notice *NO* activity above
background, which is of course because U238 isn't a beta or gamma emitter. If you put it under
an alpha counter, it will barely lift the needle off of the stops in the most sensitive range. You
get more activity from the radium in Brazil nuts.
-Chuck

It's the thorium-saturated Coleman lantern mantles that are really
hot.

Exactly.

[John Woodgate]

I read in alt.binaries.schematics.electronic that John Larkin

It's the thorium-saturated Coleman lantern mantles that are really hot.

If you keep them for a long time. Natural thorium is very nearly 100%
TH232, with a half life of 14 gigayears. And it's an alpha emitter, so
as long as you don't ingest many particles and live for centuries, you
are probably OK.

But the thorium decay series does include some of the hottest stuff that
occurs in nature, as opposed to physics experiments. They emit betas and
gammas and have very short half-lives.

[Richard Henry]

Post by Chuck Harris

Post by R10000
you could use all that sand you contaminated with depleted-uranium oxide in
iraq & afghanistan,
there's enough of it to raise the whole state well above sea level and
provide free underfloor heating and radiotherapy for cancerpatients!

Du is not radioactive.

All uranium is radioactive.

But, then again, so are all bananas.

[Mark Harriss]

Post by Richard Henry
All uranium is radioactive.
But, then again, so are all bananas.

Look up the radium content of Brazil nuts sometime.

[NunYa Bidness]

Post by Mark Harriss

Post by Richard Henry
All uranium is radioactive.
But, then again, so are all bananas.

Look up the radium content of Brazil nuts sometime.

Are you obsessive... like Monk? jeez.

[John Woodgate]

I read in alt.binaries.schematics.electronic that Chuck Harris

Post by Chuck Harris

Post by R10000
you could use all that sand you contaminated with depleted-uranium
oxide in iraq & afghanistan,
there's enough of it to raise the whole state well above sea level
and provide free underfloor heating and radiotherapy for
cancerpatients!

Du is not radioactive.

Yes it is. There are no stable isotopes of uranium. What is depleted is
the U235 (and U234 in some cases, I think), leaving the relatively
stable U238. But that still emits alpha particles

[Jim DeClercq]

Worth looking up is the comparison between the radioactivity,
in microcuries per gram, or cc, of human beings and of
depleted uranium. It is not true that depleted uranium is
one tenth as radioactive as your basic humanoid, per unit
volume, but it is quite close to that number.

Without looking it up again, I forget if the numbers, in units
stated, are .6 and 7, or 6 and .7.

Jim


Chuck Harris <cf-NO-SPAM-***@erols.com> writes:

: R10000 wrote:

: > you could use all that sand you contaminated with depleted-uranium oxide in
: > iraq & afghanistan,
: > there's enough of it to raise the whole state well above sea level and
: > provide free underfloor heating and radiotherapy for cancerpatients!

: Du is not radioactive.

[John Woodgate]

I read in alt.binaries.schematics.electronic that Jim DeClercq

Worth looking up is the comparison between the radioactivity, in
microcuries per gram, or cc, of human beings and of depleted uranium.
It is not true that depleted uranium is one tenth as radioactive as
your basic humanoid, per unit volume, but it is quite close to that
number.
Without looking it up again, I forget if the numbers, in units stated,
are .6 and 7, or 6 and .7.

Very possibly, but the U238 emits alphas, which a piece of cardboard
will stop (I have a Geiger counter and it DOES!). Humans emit betas,
positrons and gammas, from K40. You need a bit of aluminium sheet to
stop the betas and positrons, but a bit of lead to stop the gammas. But
the half-life of K40 is 1.26 billion years, so the RATE of emission is
somewhat turgid.

[R10000]

Post by Chuck Harris

Post by R10000
you could use all that sand you contaminated with depleted-uranium
oxide in iraq & afghanistan,
there's enough of it to raise the whole state well above sea level
and provide free underfloor heating and radiotherapy for
cancerpatients!

Du is not radioactive.

dickhead.

[NunYa Bidness]

Post by R10000

Post by Chuck Harris

Post by R10000
you could use all that sand you contaminated with depleted-uranium
oxide in iraq & afghanistan,
there's enough of it to raise the whole state well above sea level
and provide free underfloor heating and radiotherapy for
cancerpatients!

Du is not radioactive.

dickhead.

Retarded troll.

[John Popelish]

Post by Chuck Harris

Post by R10000
you could use all that sand you contaminated with depleted-uranium
oxide in iraq & afghanistan,
there's enough of it to raise the whole state well above sea level and
provide free underfloor heating and radiotherapy for cancerpatients!

Du is not radioactive.

Of course it is. U238 has a half life of about 4.5 billion years. It
is not nearly so radioactive as U235, half life 700 thousand years,
but it certainly is radioactive.

[NunYa Bidness]

On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 16:04:33 -0700, John Larkin

Post by John Larkin
On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 21:58:08 GMT, NunYa Bidness

Post by NunYa Bidness
On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 14:13:37 -0700, John Larkin

Post by John Larkin
On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 12:50:40 -0700, Jim Thompson

Post by Jim Thompson
The JERK on Air America is saying that we should ask other countries
to help us with the hurricane aftermath.
Bwahahahahahahaha!
Leftists are just plain IGNORANT nay sayers, and village idiots.
...Jim Thompson

Well, if all the ships in the Gulf and the mid-Atlantic rushed up the
river and tied up along the levee, they could all start pumping.
I grew up on Broadway in New Orleans, about 4 blocks from the river.
On a good spring day you could stand on my street and look *up* at
ships on the Mississippi, just the other side of the levee.

Scary... Stupid scary that a town would live there.

The legend is that Bienville was looking for a place to settle a small
colony, and New Orleans was the only place the Indians would let him
have. It was so wet, and the mosquitoes were so bad, they didn't want
it. It's mostly under sea level, nestled between a loop in the
Mississippi and Lake Pontchartrain.

Post by NunYa Bidness
Fill that hole in! Instead of raising levees, raise the dang town
surface!

I'll have to do the math on that. Say, 100 square miles of dirt, (the
whole city is about 360 sq mi, but you wouldn't do it all) average
maybe 12 or so feet thick. OK, roughly a trillion cubic yards.

How much was moved for Hoover Dam?

[John Popelish]

Post by NunYa Bidness
Scary... Stupid scary that a town would live there.
Fill that hole in! Instead of raising levees, raise the dang town
surface!
Heheheh...

An absolutely lousy place for a city. It was a couple feet above high
tide when it was founded, but the earliest settlers got tired of the
annual Mississippi flood getting them damp, so they built a small
levee. Then building and development got going, and by the time there
was a big investment in the town, they realized that they were riding
an elevator that only goes down. Now, 200+ years later, they have
sunk about 30 feet and there is no end in sight. The rest of the
coastal cities are worried about sea level rise, but New Orleans
worries more about the Mississippi delta going down. I heard that in
man places in Louisiana, the highways have to be paved annually, to
make up for the pavement sinking into the delta sediment. Some places
the roadbeds are now 20 to 30 feet thick, and they are beginning to
worry that some sections are about to reach critical density, where
they will accelerate downward like a knife cutting into quicksand, and
disappear beneath the mud.

The lower few hundred miles of the Mississippi delta (about half of
Louisiana and a big part of Mississippi) needs to be turned into a
wild life preserve.

[R10000]

Post by John Popelish
The lower few hundred miles of the Mississippi delta (about half of
Louisiana and a big part of Mississippi) needs to be turned into a
wild life preserve.

the whole place should be abandoned to the alligators,

the cost to recover it is both not worth it, and not there.
america is broke, unless hallburton is going to fix it there simply isnt
the money.

[Richard Henry]

Post by John Popelish
The lower few hundred miles of the Mississippi delta (about half of
Louisiana and a big part of Mississippi) needs to be turned into a
wild life preserve.

"...wild life preserve..."

I see you have been to Mardi Gras in New Orleans.

[John Popelish]

Post by Richard Henry

Post by John Popelish
The lower few hundred miles of the Mississippi delta (about half of
Louisiana and a big part of Mississippi) needs to be turned into a
wild life preserve.

"...wild life preserve..."
I see you have been to Mardi Gras in New Orleans.

Sadly, no. And that may be now impossible for the indefinite future.

[Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover"]

Post by John Popelish

Post by NunYa Bidness
Scary... Stupid scary that a town would live there.
Fill that hole in! Instead of raising levees, raise the dang town
surface!
Heheheh...

An absolutely lousy place for a city. It was a couple feet above high
tide when it was founded, but the earliest settlers got tired of the
annual Mississippi flood getting them damp, so they built a small
levee. Then building and development got going, and by the time there
was a big investment in the town, they realized that they were riding
an elevator that only goes down. Now, 200+ years later, they have
sunk about 30 feet and there is no end in sight. The rest of the
coastal cities are worried about sea level rise, but New Orleans
worries more about the Mississippi delta going down. I heard that in
man places in Louisiana, the highways have to be paved annually, to
make up for the pavement sinking into the delta sediment. Some places
the roadbeds are now 20 to 30 feet thick, and they are beginning to
worry that some sections are about to reach critical density, where
they will accelerate downward like a knife cutting into quicksand, and
disappear beneath the mud.
The lower few hundred miles of the Mississippi delta (about half of
Louisiana and a big part of Mississippi) needs to be turned into a
wild life preserve.

Down here in Orange County in So. Calif, we made the sloughs into a
wildlife preserve, and now we have the highest rate of West Nile Virus
in the country. Imagine what it would be like if they did that in LA
and MS. Not to mention that those shysters down there wouldn't have any
more swampland to sell to suckers newly arrived in town. ;-)

[Richard Crowley]

Post by Jim Thompson
The JERK on Air America is saying that we should ask other countries
to help us with the hurricane aftermath.
Bwahahahahahahaha!
Leftists are just plain IGNORANT nay sayers, and village idiots.

Maybe they should go to their buddies over there in Saudi
Arabia and remind them what good customers we are. They
could ask for a few million bbl of crude to make up for our
production in the gulf that has been impacted by Katrina.

Riiiiight.

[Drummond Davidstein]

Post by Jim Thompson
The JERK on Air America is saying that we should ask other countries
to help us with the hurricane aftermath.
Bwahahahahahahaha!
Leftists are just plain IGNORANT nay sayers, and village idiots.

They forgot rule #1: you can't hold the sea back when you're below sea level and
get the kind of weather events that they get in that part of the country.

So, IMO, the best fixes:
a) when all the living and dead are removed, knock down the damn dams and
leve the are flooded, maybe drudge it out some to allow for a shipping port on
the site.
2) NO is, as they're said in news reports, in a bowl, fill it in and make it
above sea level, rebuild with building that can handle big storms.
C) Spend about 100 billion dollars every 10 years to keep reviving a city that's
in exactly the wrong place and below sea level.