OT: Announcement

Post by Jim Thompson
My oldest daughter is a candidate (and most likely winner) for
Chairman of the Republican Party in Yuma County, Arizona ;-)

So, now you're admitting child abuse!

Remember, Bush is a dangerous liar and mass murderer.
Would Jesus have you vote for the antichrist?

Thanks,
Rich

Richard Crowley

2004-11-02 02:15:40 UTC

"Rich Grise" wrote ...

Post by Rich Grise
Remember, Bush is a dangerous liar and mass murderer.
Would Jesus have you vote for the antichrist?

You mean JFKerry? Certainly not!

Rich Grise

2004-11-02 05:39:58 UTC

Post by Richard Crowley
"Rich Grise" wrote ...

Post by Rich Grise
Remember, Bush is a dangerous liar and mass murderer.
Would Jesus have you vote for the antichrist?

You mean JFKerry? Certainly not!

Well, it is a test, after all. By their friuts shall ye know them,
and all that.

Good Luck on Judgement Day!

Remember, Bush is a dangerous liar.

Cheers!
Rich

Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover"

2004-11-02 11:42:46 UTC

Post by Richard Crowley
"Rich Grise" wrote ...

Post by Rich Grise
Remember, Bush is a dangerous liar and mass murderer.
Would Jesus have you vote for the antichrist?

You mean JFKerry? Certainly not!

Well, it is a test, after all. By their friuts shall ye know them,
and all that.
Good Luck on Judgement Day!
Remember, Bush is a dangerous liar.

So? What else is new? (Aren't all politicians?)

Post by Rich Grise
Cheers!
Rich

By electing them as our 'leaders', we make all politicians dangerous.

Rich Grise

2004-11-02 16:57:37 UTC

Post by Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover"

On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 03:42:46 -0800, Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark

Post by Richard Crowley
"Rich Grise" wrote ...

Post by Rich Grise
Remember, Bush is a dangerous liar and mass murderer.
Would Jesus have you vote for the antichrist?

You mean JFKerry? Certainly not!

Well, it is a test, after all. By their friuts shall ye know them,
and all that.
Good Luck on Judgement Day!
Remember, Bush is a dangerous liar.

So? What else is new? (Aren't all politicians?)

Post by Rich Grise
Cheers!
Rich

By electing them as our 'leaders', we make all politicians dangerous.

Yeah, that's sad.

One other thing I seem to notice - most people don't really want
freedom, they want Mommy.

Thanks!
Rich

Tim Williams

2004-11-03 04:51:48 UTC

Post by Rich Grise
Remember, Bush is a dangerous liar.

Not as bad as Kerry though. I mean... basically, he simply makes up so many
lies, then presents them and lets the public shoot them up. Eventually a
few turn out to be correct. Which is also how he's campaigned, reminiscent
of the Treehouse of Horror where the space aliens Kang and Kunos(?) abduct
and replace Bill Clinton and Bob Dole in the '96 election. So Kang is
speaking at a podium: "Abortions for none!" "Boooooo!!!!" "Very well,
abortions for all!" "Boooooo!!!!" "Very well; abortions for some,
miniature flags for others!" "Yaayyyyy!!!" Hit and miss like that,
searching for the right spot ... but of course, since he lacks that very
direction, he alienates about as much voter base as he gains.

Tim

--
"I've got more trophies than Wayne Gretsky and the Pope combined!"
- Homer Simpson
Website @ http://webpages.charter.net/dawill/tmoranwms

Rich Grise

2004-11-03 16:34:19 UTC

Post by Tim Williams

Post by Rich Grise
Remember, Bush is a dangerous liar.

According to our local luddite, it was the Bush-bashing that turned
so many people off. They wanted to hear something besides "Bush is a nazi,"
I guess.

And I guess it won't have too much immediate effect on me, but I still
weep for the victims of the invasion.

Thanks,
Rich

u***@juno.com

2004-11-03 16:45:02 UTC

And I guess it won't have too much immediate effect on me, but I still weep
for the victims of the invasion.

Well, what a wonderful, bleeding heart comment. Don't forget to be happy for
those who now enjoy freedoms that they never even dreamed of? They outnumber
the 'victims' by a huge margin.

Trouble with you and your ilk is that you think freedom is free, and that just
talking about it makes it happen. Good vs evil is going to spill blood, and as
was said so eloquently in the past, "the tree of liberty must occasionally be
refreshed with the blood of patriots."

It is the responsibility of all those who experience and benefit from freedom,
to share that with all who live on this earth. Can't be done to everyone all
at once, but sooner or later, we must face down all the tyrants, and all the
abusive governments and at least try to give their people a taste of what we
so often take for granted. How selfish would it be to just sit here and enjoy
all that we have, and not try to share it, in spite of the cost? Have you no
soul at all?

Try and see the big picture. I expect you would have been out protesting the
American Revolution because people were choosing to die for what they believe
in. There will be no peace anywhere until people understand that peace does
not spring from negotiating with, and trusting evil. That is why this country
is doomed. Too many bleeding hearts with no guts, and a sad misconception
that just wishing for something will make it happen. Maybe you can get an
EasyBake Oven that way, but peace and freedom require vigilance and a
willingness to sacrifice all if necessary, for the greater good. Once you show
the wolves that you will not defend your territory, they will tear you apart.

Spineless people can't stand up for anything.

John

John Fields

2004-11-03 17:16:08 UTC

And I guess it won't have too much immediate effect on me, but I still weep
for the victims of the invasion.

Well, what a wonderful, bleeding heart comment. Don't forget to be happy for
those who now enjoy freedoms that they never even dreamed of? They outnumber
the 'victims' by a huge margin.
Trouble with you and your ilk is that you think freedom is free, and that just
talking about it makes it happen. Good vs evil is going to spill blood, and as
was said so eloquently in the past, "the tree of liberty must occasionally be
refreshed with the blood of patriots."
It is the responsibility of all those who experience and benefit from freedom,
to share that with all who live on this earth. Can't be done to everyone all
at once, but sooner or later, we must face down all the tyrants, and all the
abusive governments and at least try to give their people a taste of what we
so often take for granted. How selfish would it be to just sit here and enjoy
all that we have, and not try to share it, in spite of the cost? Have you no
soul at all?
Try and see the big picture. I expect you would have been out protesting the
American Revolution because people were choosing to die for what they believe
in. There will be no peace anywhere until people understand that peace does
not spring from negotiating with, and trusting evil. That is why this country
is doomed. Too many bleeding hearts with no guts, and a sad misconception
that just wishing for something will make it happen. Maybe you can get an
EasyBake Oven that way, but peace and freedom require vigilance and a
willingness to sacrifice all if necessary, for the greater good. Once you show
the wolves that you will not defend your territory, they will tear you apart.
Spineless people can't stand up for anything.

---
Nicely put.

--
John Fields

Rich Grise

2004-11-03 21:37:04 UTC

And I guess it won't have too much immediate effect on me, but I still weep
for the victims of the invasion.

Well, what a wonderful, bleeding heart comment. Don't forget to be happy for
those who now enjoy freedoms that they never even dreamed of? They outnumber
the 'victims' by a huge margin.

Could you name one please?

Post by u***@juno.com
Trouble with you and your ilk is that you think freedom is free, and that just
talking about it makes it happen.

OK, I see you're of the "I'm gonna save your soul if I have to bomb
you back to the stone age to do it" mentality.

Did any of these countries _ask_ to have the US invade and kill
thousands in the name of "freedom"?

Post by u***@juno.com
Good vs evil is going to spill blood, and as
was said so eloquently in the past, "the tree of liberty must occasionally be
refreshed with the blood of patriots."

That's right, which is what the Iraqis are doing. They are patriots,
you know. The US is the aggressor in Iraq, and no amount of rhetoric can
make that not true.

Post by u***@juno.com
It is the responsibility of all those who experience and benefit from freedom,
to share that with all who live on this earth.

And the only way to do that is to simply allow them their freedom
as well.

I'm sorry if their version of "freedom" isn't the same as yours, but
making it your call, I'm sorry to report, makes you the bad guy.

Post by u***@juno.com
Can't be done to everyone all
at once, but sooner or later, we must face down all the tyrants,

That's what a lot of us were trying to do here. But I guess we'll
have to let the US experience the consequences of their "choice."

And murdering people is still wrong.

Post by u***@juno.com
and all the
abusive governments and at least try to give their people a taste of what we
so often take for granted.

You mean like, "Not being bombed in your sleep"?

Post by u***@juno.com
How selfish would it be to just sit here and enjoy
all that we have, and not try to share it, in spite of the cost? Have you no
soul at all?

This is the most bass-ackwards kind of doublethink there is.

You have rationalized mass murder under the guise of "sharing the wealth."

You are either very very ill, or simply evil.

Post by u***@juno.com
Try and see the big picture.

I do, you dupe.

I expect you would have been out protesting the

Post by u***@juno.com
American Revolution because people were choosing to die for what they believe
in.

Nope, I'm on the side of the freedom fighters, throwing off the chains
of the oppressors. This time, the freedom fighters are in Iraq, and the
oppressors are the US, and if you still refuse to see that, then that
is prima facie proof that you are a nazi sympathizer.

Post by u***@juno.com
There will be no peace anywhere until people understand that peace does
not spring from negotiating with, and trusting evil.

No, it springs from negotiating with people, and being trustworthy.

The embodiment of evil is the one who kills while calling it anything
but murder.

The only "peace" that comes from mass murder is the "peace" of the morgue.

Post by u***@juno.com
That is why this country
is doomed. Too many bleeding hearts with no guts, and a sad
misconception that just wishing for something will make it happen.

No, this country is doomed because it has chosen death over life.

Post by u***@juno.com
Maybe
you can get an EasyBake Oven that way, but peace and freedom require
vigilance and a willingness to sacrifice all if necessary, for the
greater good.

Well, we gave it our best shot.

If you think "killing thousands of people" is somehow included in this
"greater good" fantasy of yours, then I have very little hope for
your redemption.

Post by u***@juno.com
Once you show the wolves that you will not defend your
territory, they will tear you apart.

Yup. Nazis too.

Post by u***@juno.com
Spineless people can't stand up for anything.

No, they can't. Which is why they install evil dictators over them
and cheerlead their murderous crusade.

Thanks for demonstrating, once again, the pervasiveness of the
power of self-deception.

Signed,
Rich

John Fields

2004-11-03 17:23:49 UTC

Post by Rich Grise
According to our local luddite, it was the Bush-bashing that turned
so many people off. They wanted to hear something besides "Bush is a nazi,"
I guess.
And I guess it won't have too much immediate effect on me, but I still
weep for the victims of the invasion.

---
Crocodile tears.

--
John Fields

Rich Grise

2004-11-03 21:38:58 UTC

---
Crocodile tears.

Of course. You've already stated that you have no compassion for
your ruler's victims.

Oh, well, guess it's true - it gets worse before it gets better.

Thanks,
Rich

Richard Crowley

2004-11-02 02:14:53 UTC

"Jim Thompson" wrote ...

Post by Jim Thompson
My oldest daughter is a candidate (and most likely winner) for
Chairman of the Republican Party in Yuma County, Arizona ;-)

Congrats. Ignore the leftist jackals.

Blair P. Houghton

2004-11-02 04:26:46 UTC

Post by Jim Thompson
My oldest daughter is a candidate (and most likely winner) for

Why? Did you design the electronic voting machines?

--Blair
"We're going to have to make them
with user-accessible debuggers."

Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover"

2004-11-02 11:39:42 UTC

Post by Blair P. Houghton

Post by Jim Thompson
My oldest daughter is a candidate (and most likely winner) for

Why? Did you design the electronic voting machines?
--Blair
"We're going to have to make them
with user-accessible debuggers."

User accessible debuggers are already in Mozilla. It's called Bugzilla.
http://www.catb.org/%7Eesr/writings/cathedral-bazaar/cathedral-bazaar/ar
01s04.html
<<
Linus was treating his users as co-developers in the most effective
possible way:

7. Release early. Release often. And listen to your customers.

Linus's innovation wasn't so much in doing quick-turnaround releases
incorporating lots of user feedback (something like this had been
Unix-world tradition for a long time), but in scaling it up to a level
of intensity that matched the complexity of what he was developing. In
those early times (around 1991) it wasn't unknown for him to release a
new kernel more than once a day! Because he cultivated his base of
co-developers and leveraged the Internet for collaboration harder than
anyone else, this worked.

Tom Seim

2004-11-02 06:08:58 UTC

CONGRADULATIONS!

Fred Bloggs

2004-11-02 12:51:08 UTC

Post by Tom Seim
CONGRADULATIONS!

"CONGRADULATIONS"? Sheeesh- look at these goddammed chronically
illiterate trash with failing brains conversing with eachother! The
dumbest f_cking riffraff come to SED.

Rich Grise

2004-11-02 17:00:19 UTC

Post by Tom Seim
CONGRADULATIONS!

"CONGRADULATIONS"? Sheeesh- look at these goddammed chronically
illiterate trash with failing brains conversing with eachother! The
dumbest f_cking riffraff come to SED.

Oh, you'd be surprised how dumb some of the riffraff can get. ;-)
s.e.d has some of the highest clesses of riffraff I've ever seen. :-)

Cheers!
Rich

Clarence

2004-11-02 18:29:02 UTC

Contributed his usual lack of decorum.

Will someone please flush?

John Fields

2004-11-02 17:31:41 UTC

Post by Tom Seim
CONGRADULATIONS!

"CONGRADULATIONS"? Sheeesh- look at these goddammed chronically
illiterate trash with failing brains conversing with eachother! The
dumbest f_cking riffraff come to SED.

---
"eachother"?^)

--
John Fields

Tom Seim

2004-11-02 23:53:20 UTC

Post by Tom Seim
CONGRADULATIONS!

"CONGRADULATIONS"? Sheeesh- look at these goddammed chronically
illiterate trash with failing brains conversing with eachother! The
dumbest f_cking riffraff come to SED.

Sorry to disappoint you, fredfraud. Your posts are so grammatically
perfect. I'll try harder next time.

Marc 182

2004-11-02 09:08:37 UTC

Post by Jim Thompson
My oldest daughter is a candidate (and most likely winner) for
Chairman of the Republican Party in Yuma County, Arizona ;-)
...Jim Thompson

Congrats. I'm a Dem who grew up in Yuma. It's a flexable county, Dems
and Repubs have done well there now and again. I hope that she herself
remains flexable as well and doesn't feel obligated to tow the party
line.

Marc

Paul Burridge

2004-11-02 12:43:12 UTC

On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 02:08:37 -0700, Marc 182

Post by Jim Thompson
My oldest daughter is a candidate (and most likely winner) for
Chairman of the Republican Party in Yuma County, Arizona ;-)
...Jim Thompson

I'm sure she'll only tow the Nazi line her dear old dad has
indoctrinated her into.

--
"What is now proved was once only imagin'd." - William Blake, 1793.

Don Pearce

2004-11-02 13:14:23 UTC

On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 12:43:12 +0000, Paul Burridge

Post by Paul Burridge
On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 02:08:37 -0700, Marc 182

Post by Jim Thompson
My oldest daughter is a candidate (and most likely winner) for
Chairman of the Republican Party in Yuma County, Arizona ;-)
...Jim Thompson

I'm sure she'll only tow the Nazi line her dear old dad has
indoctrinated her into.

What is all this "tow the line" business? It is "toe the line", from
the days of bare knuckle fighting, when boxers would each stand behind
a line before the fight. If you followed the rules, and didn't step
beyond the mark too early you were toeing the line.

d
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

Winfield Hill

2004-11-02 13:47:59 UTC

Don Pearce wrote...

Post by Don Pearce

I hope that she herself remains flexable as well and doesn't feel
obligated to tow the party line.

In the case of the Bush republican machine these days, towing may be
a more applicable word. One imagines hundreds of the party faithful
leaning into the tow line, trying to move the massive deadload of Bush
government divisive attitudes and neo-con policies, with the right-wing
police-state control-your-life agendas piled high on top.

--
Thanks,
- Win

Tim Williams

2004-11-03 05:03:26 UTC

Post by Winfield Hill
In the case of the Bush republican machine these days, towing may be
a more applicable word. One imagines hundreds of the party faithful
leaning into the tow line, trying to move the massive deadload of Bush
government divisive attitudes and neo-con policies, with the right-wing
police-state control-your-life agendas piled high on top.

And the dems are any different? I could go out and ask a hundred dems why
they are voting and get basically, "cuz it's not Bush". Several people I
*have* asked have no honest reason. Let's not even mention *logical
reasoning*!

Tim

--
"I've got more trophies than Wayne Gretsky and the Pope combined!"
- Homer Simpson
Website @ http://webpages.charter.net/dawill/tmoranwms

Rich Grise

2004-11-03 16:36:47 UTC

Post by Tim Williams

And I want to set the record straight here - I've never been pro-Kerry;
he is, after all, nothing but a democrat politician. My actual vote went
to Badnarik, so I can wallow in the self-satisfaction of having voted
against both of the lying thieving scoundrels. That's quite the moral
high-horse, as I'm sure you all know. :-)

Cheers!
Rich

Jim Thompson

2004-11-03 14:39:21 UTC

On 2 Nov 2004 05:47:59 -0800, Winfield Hill
<***@t_rowland-dotties-harvard-dot.s-edu> wrote:
[snip]

Post by Winfield Hill
with the right-wing
police-state control-your-life agendas piled high on top.

So how did Massachusetts come to be a church-police state?

...Jim Thompson

Rich Grise

2004-11-03 16:37:14 UTC

Post by Jim Thompson
On 2 Nov 2004 05:47:59 -0800, Winfield Hill
[snip]

Post by Winfield Hill
with the right-wing
police-state control-your-life agendas piled high on top.

So how did Massachusetts come to be a church-police state?

Puritans.

Cheers!
Rich

Fred Bloggs

2004-11-02 13:27:50 UTC

Post by Paul Burridge
I'm sure she'll only tow the Nazi line her dear old dad has
indoctrinated her into.

All of his daughters are government employees in one form or another- I
wonder if Thompson told them that government employment is the "ultimate
welfare"?

John Fields

2004-11-02 14:26:22 UTC

Post by Paul Burridge
I'm sure she'll only tow the Nazi line her dear old dad has
indoctrinated her into.

All of his daughters are government employees in one form or another- I
wonder if Thompson told them that government employment is the "ultimate
welfare"?

---
LOL! Brings to mind something prophetic which my fourth grade teacher
said, which was that she saw the US slipping into socialism and the
then Soviet Union heading for democracy.

Another interesting take on it is the musical group "Steppenwolf"'s
offering of "Monster".

--
John Fields

Tim Williams

2004-11-03 05:01:27 UTC

Post by John Fields
LOL! Brings to mind something prophetic which my fourth grade teacher
said, which was that she saw the US slipping into socialism and the
then Soviet Union heading for democracy.

From what I hear that's China at the moment. Seeing as the USSR died...

Most of Europe is already pretty socialist, they probably count better
instead in terms of the above. But no one can say so because it'd be
rubbing their noses in our better-country-ness. :^)

Tim

--
"I've got more trophies than Wayne Gretsky and the Pope combined!"
- Homer Simpson
Website @ http://webpages.charter.net/dawill/tmoranwms

Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover"

2004-11-03 06:20:46 UTC

Post by John Fields
---
LOL! Brings to mind something prophetic which my fourth grade teacher
said, which was that she saw the US slipping into socialism and the
then Soviet Union heading for democracy.

That wasn't your teacher talking. I remember this from my school days.
This bit of information was from the Kiplinger Changing Times
newsletter. Your teacher was parroting that newsletter. "..Kiplinger's
Personal Finance (then Changing Times).."
http://www.kiplinger.com/about/

Post by John Fields
--
John Fields

John Fields

2004-11-03 11:51:50 UTC

Post by Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover"

On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 22:20:46 -0800, "Watson A.Name - \"Watt Sun, the

That wasn't your teacher talking. I remember this from my school days.
This bit of information was from the Kiplinger Changing Times
newsletter. Your teacher was parroting that newsletter.

---
In 1947?

--
John Fields

Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover"

2004-11-03 13:15:27 UTC

Post by Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover"

Post by John Fields
On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 22:20:46 -0800, "Watson A.Name - \"Watt Sun, the

That wasn't your teacher talking. I remember this from my school days.
This bit of information was from the Kiplinger Changing Times
newsletter. Your teacher was parroting that newsletter.

---
In 1947?
--
John Fields

Well, hey, maybe Kiplinger was parroting your teacher! I ain't _that_
old..

Jim Thompson

2004-11-02 15:07:25 UTC

Post by Paul Burridge
I'm sure she'll only tow the Nazi line her dear old dad has
indoctrinated her into.

Paul, You are one sick puppy.

Post by Fred Bloggs
All of his daughters are government employees in one form or another- I
wonder if Thompson told them that government employment is the "ultimate
welfare"?

Daughter #1 (Republican activist) is employed by United Way, a charity

Daughter #2 is employed by the City of Phoenix as a (degreed) CHEMIST
to assure water quality

Neither is "government employment" in the sense that you imply
"bureaucrat"

Fred, You remain the ultimate village idiot ;-)

...Jim Thompson

Fred Bloggs

2004-11-02 15:19:43 UTC

Post by Jim Thompson

Post by Paul Burridge
I'm sure she'll only tow the Nazi line her dear old dad has
indoctrinated her into.

Paul, You are one sick puppy.

Post by Fred Bloggs
All of his daughters are government employees in one form or another- I
wonder if Thompson told them that government employment is the "ultimate
welfare"?

Daughter #1 (Republican activist) is employed by United Way, a charity

So did she change jobs recently?

Post by Jim Thompson
Daughter #2 is employed by the City of Phoenix as a (degreed) CHEMIST
to assure water quality

The City of Phoenix is not government? She is a government employee and
is therefore immersed in government rules and regulations.

Post by Jim Thompson
Neither is "government employment" in the sense that you imply
"bureaucrat"

Well- of course- these are /your/ daughters so they're different.

Post by Jim Thompson
Fred, You remain the ultimate village idiot ;-)

It's all relative. Phoenix community leaders would be make good village
idiots in other locales.

Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover"

2004-11-03 06:24:51 UTC

"Jim Thompson" <***@example.com> wrote in message news:***@4ax.com...

[snip]

Post by Jim Thompson
Fred, You remain the ultimate village idiot ;-)

Altho you're off the wall when it comes to expressing political views
here, I will agree with you on that one, above.

Post by Jim Thompson
...Jim Thompson
--

But then everyone should've plonked that silly troll a long time ago.

Fred Bloggs

2004-11-03 12:11:54 UTC

Post by Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover"

Watson A.Name - \"Watt Sun, the Dark Remover\" wrote:
[...SNIP THOMPSON S-H-I-T...]

Post by Jim Thompson
Fred, You remain the ultimate village idiot ;-)

WHAT'S MATTA, MORON- CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING ORIGINAL?

Post by Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover"
Altho you're off the wall when it comes to expressing political views
here, I will agree with you on that one, above.

Post by Jim Thompson
...Jim Thompson<- P.O.S.
--

But then everyone should've plonked that silly troll a long time ago.

REALLY? AND THIS COMING FROM A PIECE OF CRAP WHOSE LIFE'S WORK IS
PLAYING WITH LED CIRCUITS HE HAS NO HOPE IN HELL OF UNDERSTANDING? IF
YOU WANT TO PLONK SOMEONE, YOU LITTLE HALF-BRAINED UNEMPLOYABLE REJECT,
THEN DO IT- WHAT IS IT WITH YOU CHICKENSHIT COWARDS THAT YOU ALWAYS NEED
COMPANY?

Paul Burridge

2004-11-02 15:43:05 UTC

Post by Fred Bloggs
All of his daughters are government employees in one form or another- I
wonder if Thompson told them that government employment is the "ultimate
welfare"?

LOL! It's true, though. All those government/civil service workers
contribute nothing to a country's GDP. They're just deadwood; a drain
on those who do the real work. They make up rules and ensnare the
wealth-makers with red tape and bureaucracy and have the audacity to
pick your pockets for their wages in return! A bum on the street
asking for a dime deserves more respect.

--
"What is now proved was once only imagin'd." - William Blake, 1793.

Chuck Harris

2004-11-02 16:01:07 UTC

Post by Fred Bloggs
All of his daughters are government employees in one form or another- I
wonder if Thompson told them that government employment is the "ultimate
welfare"?

Gee Paul, I sure am glad to see that your depth of thinking carries
over into other areas besides just electronics.

Sheesh!

-Chuck

Rich Grise

2004-11-02 17:05:20 UTC

Post by Fred Bloggs
All of his daughters are government employees in one form or another- I
wonder if Thompson told them that government employment is the "ultimate
welfare"?

Wasn't there some famous guy a couple thousand years ago who said,
"Even as you do unto the least of my brethren, you do unto me."?

Thanks,
Rich

Clarence

2004-11-02 18:18:58 UTC

<snip>

Post by Rich Grise
Wasn't there some famous guy a couple thousand years ago who said,
"Even as you do unto the least of my brethren, you do unto me."?

We will never know.
That infamous "guy", while literate,
never wrote anything that survived!
We only "know" what others attribute to him.
No verification at all of any of the quotes!

So it is ALL "Hearsay!"

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END

John Fields

2004-11-02 22:56:48 UTC

Post by Fred Bloggs
All of his daughters are government employees in one form or another- I
wonder if Thompson told them that government employment is the "ultimate
welfare"?

Wasn't there some famous guy a couple thousand years ago who said,
"Even as you do unto the least of my brethren, you do unto me."?

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Think about _that_ the next time you feel like flaming someone.

--
John Fields

Rich Grise

2004-11-03 01:07:13 UTC

Post by Fred Bloggs
All of his daughters are government employees in one form or another- I
wonder if Thompson told them that government employment is the "ultimate
welfare"?

Wasn't there some famous guy a couple thousand years ago who said,
"Even as you do unto the least of my brethren, you do unto me."?

---
Think about _that_ the next time you feel like flaming someone.

Oh, I do. I fully expect everybody I flame to be able to handle it,
and give it back to me in kind. And noticing somebody's foolishness
isn't necessarily "flaming" them. Maybe you could say, "flaming is
in the mind of the beholder." American bullets, however, are not.
They are in the bodies of the victims.

And I must admit, it isn't George W. Bush I hate - it's the evil that
has him doing its bidding. Bush the man is more pitiable than anything
else.

And, if the cartel gets reelected, I guess I'll just sit here in my
guruic superiority, and say, "Oh, well, in the Big Picture, it doesn't
matter anyway - they're just fragments of spirits, trying to find their
balance point. The lesson is as intense as it needs to be to learn what
needs to be learned."

Thanks for the bout!
Rich

John Fields

2004-11-03 12:39:56 UTC

Post by Rich Grise
Wasn't there some famous guy a couple thousand years ago who said,
"Even as you do unto the least of my brethren, you do unto me."?

---
Think about _that_ the next time you feel like flaming someone.

Oh, I do. I fully expect everybody I flame to be able to handle it,

---
Which is antithetical to one of your chameleon-like positions about
arrogance and predicting the future, remember?
---

Post by Rich Grise
and give it back to me in kind.

---
"They" may not, but your kindness won't go unrewarded!
---

Post by Rich Grise
And noticing somebody's foolishness
isn't necessarily "flaming" them.

---
We're not talking about _noticing_ someone's foolishness and showing
it to them in a way which might help them become less foolish, we're
talking about using that foolishness as a means of achieving
self-aggrandisement by intentionally deprecating the target.
---

Post by Rich Grise
Maybe you could say, "flaming is
in the mind of the beholder."

---
You could, and there are any number of other blame-shifting devices
you could use, but whether they'd be true or just attempts to escape
responsibility for your actions is another matter.
---

Post by Rich Grise
American bullets, however, are not.
They are in the bodies of the victims.

---
AHA! The old "Let's take the heat off of Rich by changing the subject"
trick. We're talking about you flaming Jim's daughters, not bullets.
---

Post by Rich Grise
And I must admit, it isn't George W. Bush I hate - it's the evil that
has him doing its bidding. Bush the man is more pitiable than anything
else.

---
Then do something to show _him_ "The Way".
---

Post by Rich Grise
And, if the cartel gets reelected, I guess I'll just sit here in my
guruic superiority, and say, "Oh, well, in the Big Picture, it doesn't
matter anyway - they're just fragments of spirits, trying to find their
balance point. The lesson is as intense as it needs to be to learn what
needs to be learned."

---
The intensity varies with how much you want to learn and your
resistance to what's flowing through you.
---

Post by Rich Grise
Thanks for the bout!

---
Sure.

--
John Fields

Rich Grise

2004-11-03 16:48:16 UTC

Post by Rich Grise
Wasn't there some famous guy a couple thousand years ago who said,
"Even as you do unto the least of my brethren, you do unto me."?

---
Think about _that_ the next time you feel like flaming someone.

Oh, I do. I fully expect everybody I flame to be able to handle it,

---
Which is antithetical to one of your chameleon-like positions about
arrogance and predicting the future, remember?

No. Please refresh my memory, thanks.

Post by Rich Grise
and give it back to me in kind.

---
"They" may not, but your kindness won't go unrewarded!

Thanks!

Post by Rich Grise
And noticing somebody's foolishness
isn't necessarily "flaming" them.

Oh. OK, I'll have to reevaluate the way I express my innate superiority.

Post by Rich Grise
Maybe you could say, "flaming is
in the mind of the beholder."

---
You could, and there are any number of other blame-shifting devices
you could use, but whether they'd be true or just attempts to escape
responsibility for your actions is another matter.

When have I ever tried to "escape responsibility" for my actions?
I say what I say, and I take full responsibility for saying it.
People's interpretation of what I say is out of my hands, and
applying self-restraint on myself based on my presumption of what
they can handle would be the height of arrogance - THAT would be
a claim that I'm so superior that I know what's best for them,
which just happens to coincide with how you'd have me be, apparently.

Post by Rich Grise
American bullets, however, are not.
They are in the bodies of the victims.

---
AHA! The old "Let's take the heat off of Rich by changing the subject"
trick.

Oh, bullshit. Bring it on! What's the matter, can't take the heat,
and you're projecting your cowardice onto me?

Post by John Fields
We're talking about you flaming Jim's daughters, not bullets.

Well, you did kind of turn "Gee, poor kid can't get a real job,"
which, as I have patiently attempted to explain to you, is a very
mild generic insult cast at _any_ government employee, and really
quite common amongst us peons, into a "flame," presumably so you
can continue to rag on me.

Remember, sticks and stones can break my bones, but words can
never harm me.

Post by Rich Grise
And I must admit, it isn't George W. Bush I hate - it's the evil that
has him doing its bidding. Bush the man is more pitiable than anything
else.

---
Then do something to show _him_ "The Way".

Oh, he'll find out in his own time. As to whether or not he's still
alive when he finds out, I guess, is out of my hands as well. :-)

Post by John Fields
---

---
The intensity varies with how much you want to learn and your
resistance to what's flowing through you.
---

Yeah, that's it.

Post by Rich Grise
Thanks for the bout!

---
Sure.

Cheers!
Rich

John Fields

2004-11-03 18:22:49 UTC

Post by Rich Grise
Wasn't there some famous guy a couple thousand years ago who said,
"Even as you do unto the least of my brethren, you do unto me."?

---
Think about _that_ the next time you feel like flaming someone.

Oh, I do. I fully expect everybody I flame to be able to handle it,

---
Which is antithetical to one of your chameleon-like positions about
arrogance and predicting the future, remember?

No. Please refresh my memory, thanks.

---
Maybe later.
---

Post by Rich Grise
and give it back to me in kind.

---
"They" may not, but your kindness won't go unrewarded!

Thanks!

Post by Rich Grise
And noticing somebody's foolishness
isn't necessarily "flaming" them.

Oh. OK, I'll have to reevaluate the way I express my innate superiority.

Post by Rich Grise
Maybe you could say, "flaming is
in the mind of the beholder."

---
You could, and there are any number of other blame-shifting devices
you could use, but whether they'd be true or just attempts to escape
responsibility for your actions is another matter.

---
I wouldn't "have you be" anything but aware of the inconsistencies in
your "arguments".

For example, you allude to your "innate superiority" which implies
that you're responsible for your actions, aware of what you're doing,
and that you know how to structure an insult as an insult and deliver
it to an intended recipient but then, in the same breath, you go on to
say that when you deliver it, the responsibility for interpreting that
insult as an insult is out of your hands.

Kind of like taking a shot at someone and then blaming them for
getting shot because they didn't, or couldn't, duck.

"Yes, your Honor, I shot at him and I'll take full responsibility for
taking the shot, but it's his fault that he got shot because he didn't
get out of the way of the bullet"
---

Post by Rich Grise
American bullets, however, are not.
They are in the bodies of the victims.

---
AHA! The old "Let's take the heat off of Rich by changing the subject"
trick.

Oh, bullshit. Bring it on! What's the matter, can't take the heat,
and you're projecting your cowardice onto me?

---
The heat's on you, not me, Rich. You're no threat, trust me.
---

Post by John Fields
We're talking about you flaming Jim's daughters, not bullets.

---
If you knew it was an insult, then you should have known that it would
create a negative space which you'd be responsible for which didn't
exist prior to the insult, so why did you find it necessary to cast
what you admit was an insult?
---

Post by Rich Grise
Remember, sticks and stones can break my bones, but words can
never harm me.

---
Not true. Words can break your spirit.
---

Post by Rich Grise
And I must admit, it isn't George W. Bush I hate - it's the evil that
has him doing its bidding. Bush the man is more pitiable than anything
else.

---
Then do something to show _him_ "The Way".

Oh, he'll find out in his own time. As to whether or not he's still
alive when he finds out, I guess, is out of my hands as well. :-)

---
Uh-huh... If it's inconvenient, or onerous, it's not something for
Rich to bother getting hung up over.
---

---
The intensity varies with how much you want to learn and your
resistance to what's flowing through you.
---

Yeah, that's it.

---
The intensity varies with how much you want to learn and how hard you
resist accepting what you asked for.

Better?

--
John Fields

Rich Grise

2004-11-02 17:03:07 UTC

Post by Paul Burridge
I'm sure she'll only tow the Nazi line her dear old dad has
indoctrinated her into.

All of his daughters are government employees in one form or another- I
wonder if Thompson told them that government employment is the "ultimate
welfare"?

Well, the poor things can't get a real job.

Thanks,
Rich

John Fields

2004-11-02 22:50:37 UTC

Post by Paul Burridge
I'm sure she'll only tow the Nazi line her dear old dad has
indoctrinated her into.

All of his daughters are government employees in one form or another- I
wonder if Thompson told them that government employment is the "ultimate
welfare"?

Well, the poor things can't get a real job.

---
Well, Rich, your true colors are starting to show. Yellow.

You know nothing about these women other than that they're Jim's
daughters and that he's proud of them (and rightfully so) but because
of the malice that you bear Jim you attack _them_.

That, from someone who purportedly is striving for enlightenment is
truly disingenuous.

--
John Fields

Rich Grise

2004-11-03 01:10:50 UTC

Post by Paul Burridge
I'm sure she'll only tow the Nazi line her dear old dad has
indoctrinated her into.

All of his daughters are government employees in one form or another- I
wonder if Thompson told them that government employment is the "ultimate
welfare"?

Well, the poor things can't get a real job.

---
Well, Rich, your true colors are starting to show. Yellow.
You know nothing about these women other than that they're Jim's
daughters and that he's proud of them (and rightfully so) but because
of the malice that you bear Jim you attack _them_.

No, I'm attacking _any_ person who gets a government job, and
"can't get a real job anyway" is what people have said about government
employees since time immemorial. I.e., it's a very old, very stale,
dig at the entire philosophy about why people even _make_ governments.

Post by John Fields
That, from someone who purportedly is striving for enlightenment is
truly disingenuous.

Well, quit taking me so damn seriously! Who was the guy who was touting
Bush because he found it "fun?" ;-)

Cheers!
Rich

John Fields

2004-11-03 13:10:47 UTC

Post by John Fields
You know nothing about these women other than that they're Jim's
daughters and that he's proud of them (and rightfully so) but because
of the malice that you bear Jim you attack _them_.

No, I'm attacking _any_ person who gets a government job,

---
Why? Haven't they the same right to self-determination that you want
for yourself?
---

Post by Rich Grise
and "can't get a real job anyway" is what people have said about government
employees since time immemorial.

---
So now you're excusing yourself by associating yourself with "the
herd" which at other times you try so desperately to distance yourself
from? LOL!
---

Post by Rich Grise
I.e., it's a very old, very stale,
dig at the entire philosophy about why people even _make_ governments.

---
Reducto ad absurdium, _free_ people make governments because there is
strength in the collective that can't be achieved in an anarchy.

Look at what's going on in your body; all of your organs are working
in concert under a set of rules which make each dependant on the
other. _Your_ government.
---

Post by John Fields
That, from someone who purportedly is striving for enlightenment is
truly disingenuous.

Well, quit taking me so damn seriously!

---
Just for grins, you might want to tak a look at Frank Bemelman's post
about van Gogh...
---

Post by Rich Grise
Who was the guy who was touting
Bush because he found it "fun?" ;-)

---
Which of the several meanings of 'tout' did you have in mind?

--
John Fields

Rich Grise

2004-11-03 16:49:31 UTC

No, I'm attacking _any_ person who gets a government job,

---
Why? Haven't they the same right to self-determination that you want
for yourself?

Absolutely, and they have voluntarily placed them in a position
that is a well-known target for ridicule.

Aren't these people grown-ups? Geez.

Thanks,
Rich

John Fields

2004-11-03 18:35:55 UTC

No, I'm attacking _any_ person who gets a government job,

---
Why? Haven't they the same right to self-determination that you want
for yourself?

Absolutely, and they have voluntarily placed them in a position
that is a well-known target for ridicule.
Aren't these people grown-ups? Geez.

---
The proper targets for ridicule, IMO, are you and your ilk, who
pretend to laissez faire while at the same time berating others for
taking paths which you find unsatisfactory for _your_ journey.

--
John Fields

Rich Grise

2004-11-03 21:40:07 UTC

No, I'm attacking _any_ person who gets a government job,

---
Why? Haven't they the same right to self-determination that you want
for yourself?

Absolutely, and they have voluntarily placed them in a position
that is a well-known target for ridicule.
Aren't these people grown-ups? Geez.

---
The proper targets for ridicule, IMO, are you and your ilk, who
pretend to laissez faire while at the same time berating others for
taking paths which you find unsatisfactory for _your_ journey.

Great! Give me your best shot! Or is that what you've been doing?

Thanks
Rich

John Fields

2004-11-03 22:13:39 UTC

Post by Rich Grise
Great! Give me your best shot! Or is that what you've been doing?

---
Hmmm...
I thought I turned that boring, repetitive station off.

--
John Fields

Rich Grise

2004-11-04 00:45:32 UTC

Post by Rich Grise
Great! Give me your best shot! Or is that what you've been doing?

---
Hmmm...
I thought I turned that boring, repetitive station off.

OK.

Rich Grise

2004-11-03 01:18:27 UTC

Post by Paul Burridge
I'm sure she'll only tow the Nazi line her dear old dad has
indoctrinated her into.

All of his daughters are government employees in one form or another- I
wonder if Thompson told them that government employment is the "ultimate
welfare"?

Well, the poor things can't get a real job.

---
Well, Rich, your true colors are starting to show. Yellow.
You know nothing about these women other than that they're Jim's
daughters and that he's proud of them (and rightfully so) but because
of the malice that you bear Jim you attack _them_.
That, from someone who purportedly is striving for enlightenment is
truly disingenuous.

Kerry's ahead, 74-66 at 5:14 PST.

:-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

Cheers!
Rich

John Fields

2004-11-03 13:14:49 UTC

Post by Rich Grise
Kerry's ahead, 74-66 at 5:14 PST.
:-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

---
Don't count your chickens before the fat lady sings.

(-: (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: (-:

--
John Fields

Rich Grise

2004-11-03 16:51:04 UTC

Post by Rich Grise
Kerry's ahead, 74-66 at 5:14 PST.
:-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

---
Don't count your chickens before the fat lady sings.

Yup, I guess either it _is_ possible to bugger up a whole election,
or there really are that many people that are that stupid.

Oh, well, reality is what reality is.

Zeig Heil!
Rich

John Fields

2004-11-03 18:39:52 UTC

Post by Rich Grise
Kerry's ahead, 74-66 at 5:14 PST.
:-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

---
Don't count your chickens before the fat lady sings.

Yup, I guess either it _is_ possible to bugger up a whole election,
or there really are that many people that are that stupid.

---
Yes, and they almost elected Kerry.
---

Post by Rich Grise
Oh, well, reality is what reality is.

---
And, most likely, not at all what it appears to be. ;-)

--
John Fields

Rich Grise

2004-11-03 21:41:35 UTC

Post by Rich Grise
Kerry's ahead, 74-66 at 5:14 PST.
:-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

---
Don't count your chickens before the fat lady sings.

Yup, I guess either it _is_ possible to bugger up a whole election,
or there really are that many people that are that stupid.

---
Yes, and they almost elected Kerry.
---

Post by Rich Grise
Oh, well, reality is what reality is.

---
And, most likely, not at all what it appears to be. ;-)

Oh, I see. You're privy to some new inside information, huh?

Like, murder is OK if it's done with the support of a duped electorate?

No, thanks.
Rich

John Fields

2004-11-03 22:09:43 UTC

Post by Rich Grise
Oh, I see. You're privy to some new inside information, huh?
Like, murder is OK if it's done with the support of a duped electorate?
No, thanks.

---
Geez, that station's nothing but the same old tired crap, day after
day after day... I think I'll turn it off for a while and go outside
and play.

--
John Fields

Rich Grise

2004-11-04 00:46:18 UTC

Post by Rich Grise
Oh, I see. You're privy to some new inside information, huh?
Like, murder is OK if it's done with the support of a duped electorate?
No, thanks.

---
Geez, that station's nothing but the same old tired crap, day after
day after day... I think I'll turn it off for a while and go outside
and play.

Yup. Denial is the answer.

OK.

Glenn Gundlach

2004-11-04 06:23:06 UTC

Post by Paul Burridge
On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 02:08:37 -0700, Marc 182

Post by Jim Thompson
My oldest daughter is a candidate (and most likely winner) for
Chairman of the Republican Party in Yuma County, Arizona ;-)
...Jim Thompson

I'm sure she'll only tow the Nazi line her dear old dad has
indoctrinated her into.

'Nazi line' ? Go read a history book.
gg

R. Steve Walz

2004-11-05 08:48:27 UTC

Post by Glenn Gundlach

Post by Paul Burridge
On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 02:08:37 -0700, Marc 182

Post by Jim Thompson
My oldest daughter is a candidate (and most likely winner) for
Chairman of the Republican Party in Yuma County, Arizona ;-)
...Jim Thompson

I'm sure she'll only tow the Nazi line her dear old dad has
indoctrinated her into.

'Nazi line' ? Go read a history book.
gg

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Nazi's are Rightists, like Republicans, YOU go read history!

-Steve

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u***@juno.com

2004-11-05 16:01:14 UTC

Post by John Fields
--------------
Nazi's are Rightists, like Republicans, YOU go read history!

Steve,

You come flying in here this AM with twenty posts spouting all kinds of
misinformation and that is okay. Everyone seems to want to publicly embarass
themselves in this group, why would you be any different.

I realize you won't change your mind, and you will probably respond with some
really mean spirited comments, but I will take my turn on the soap box and ask
if it might be possible for all of us, not just you, but all of us, to knock
off the comments that have to include the accusation that someone is a Nazi?

I am all for free speech, and the use of the word does not offend me, but what
does offend me is the selective political correctness we suffer from, for if I
was to constantly throw out the word 'nigger' many would be up in arms. Would
they be justified? I don't know, but frankly, if there is going to be a
reasonable dialog, there might ought to be some rules, and if its considered
wrong to call someone a nigger, then perhaps its wrong to call someone a
nazi. Fair is fair.

Before you regurgitate venom all over the list because of this post, just stop
and think about maybe keeping it on an even keel and see if you can voice an
opinion without attaching racist, bigoted comments to it?

Just thought it might add an air of civility and class to the group........
<g>

John

Rich Grise

2004-11-05 17:52:48 UTC

Post by John Fields
--------------
Nazi's are Rightists, like Republicans, YOU go read history!

Steve,
You come flying in here this AM with twenty posts spouting all kinds of
misinformation and that is okay. Everyone seems to want to publicly embarass
themselves in this group, why would you be any different.
I realize you won't change your mind, and you will probably respond with some
really mean spirited comments, but I will take my turn on the soap box and ask
if it might be possible for all of us, not just you, but all of us, to knock
off the comments that have to include the accusation that someone is a Nazi?
I am all for free speech, and the use of the word does not offend me, but what
does offend me is the selective political correctness we suffer from, for if I
was to constantly throw out the word 'nigger' many would be up in arms. Would
they be justified? I don't know, but frankly, if there is going to be a
reasonable dialog, there might ought to be some rules, and if its considered
wrong to call someone a nigger, then perhaps its wrong to call someone a
nazi. Fair is fair.

I'd think that that would depend on if the recipient of the comment
actually is a nigger, or nazi.

Then again, I use "nigger" in the pure form, which isn't really
determined by skin color, but by behavior and attitude.

But that's apparently far too advanced a concept for "the sheeple"
to grasp.

Thanks,
Rich

R. Steve Walz

2004-11-06 08:26:44 UTC

Post by John Fields
--------------
Nazi's are Rightists, like Republicans, YOU go read history!

Steve,
You come flying in here this AM with twenty posts spouting all kinds of
misinformation and that is okay. Everyone seems to want to publicly embarass
themselves in this group, why would you be any different.
I realize you won't change your mind, and you will probably respond with some
really mean spirited comments, but I will take my turn on the soap box and ask
if it might be possible for all of us, not just you, but all of us, to knock
off the comments that have to include the accusation that someone is a Nazi?
I am all for free speech, and the use of the word does not offend me, but what
does offend me is the selective political correctness we suffer from, for if I
was to constantly throw out the word 'nigger' many would be up in arms. Would
they be justified? I don't know, but frankly, if there is going to be a
reasonable dialog, there might ought to be some rules, and if its considered
wrong to call someone a nigger, then perhaps its wrong to call someone a
nazi. Fair is fair.

I'd think that that would depend on if the recipient of the comment
actually is a nigger, or nazi.
Then again, I use "nigger" in the pure form, which isn't really
determined by skin color, but by behavior and attitude.
But that's apparently far too advanced a concept for "the sheeple"
to grasp.
Thanks,
Rich

---------------
No, that's a delusional argument only used by guilt-ridden crackers
trying to defend their favorite automatic response to being
contradicted.

-Steve

Rich The Philosophizer

2004-11-06 08:55:16 UTC

Post by John Fields
--------------
Nazi's are Rightists, like Republicans, YOU go read history!

Steve,
You come flying in here this AM with twenty posts spouting all kinds of
misinformation and that is okay. Everyone seems to want to publicly embarass
themselves in this group, why would you be any different.
I realize you won't change your mind, and you will probably respond with some
really mean spirited comments, but I will take my turn on the soap box and ask
if it might be possible for all of us, not just you, but all of us, to knock
off the comments that have to include the accusation that someone is a Nazi?
I am all for free speech, and the use of the word does not offend me, but what
does offend me is the selective political correctness we suffer from, for if I
was to constantly throw out the word 'nigger' many would be up in arms. Would
they be justified? I don't know, but frankly, if there is going to be a
reasonable dialog, there might ought to be some rules, and if its considered
wrong to call someone a nigger, then perhaps its wrong to call someone a
nazi. Fair is fair.

I'd think that that would depend on if the recipient of the comment
actually is a nigger, or nazi.
Then again, I use "nigger" in the pure form, which isn't really
determined by skin color, but by behavior and attitude.
But that's apparently far too advanced a concept for "the sheeple"
to grasp.
Thanks,
Rich

---------------
No, that's a delusional argument only used by guilt-ridden crackers
trying to defend their favorite automatic response to being
contradicted.

Oh, yawn.
Rich

R. Steve Walz

2004-11-06 08:25:29 UTC

Post by John Fields
--------------
Nazi's are Rightists, like Republicans, YOU go read history!

Steve,
You come flying in here this AM with twenty posts spouting all kinds of
misinformation and that is okay.

-----------------
Nope, bullshit, I'm informing, YOU'RE disinforming.

Post by u***@juno.com
Everyone seems to want to publicly embarass
themselves in this group, why would you be any different.

-------------------
You're a contentless posturer.
{the rest of your posture deleted]

Post by u***@juno.com
I am all for free speech, and the use of the word does not offend me, but what
does offend me is the selective political correctness we suffer from, for if I
was to constantly throw out the word 'nigger' many would be up in arms. Would
they be justified?

---------------------
Yes. Race is not a choice, socio-economic political crimes are.

Post by u***@juno.com
I don't know, but frankly, if there is going to be a
reasonable dialog, there might ought to be some rules, and if its considered
wrong to call someone a nigger, then perhaps its wrong to call someone a
nazi. Fair is fair.

------------------------
Nope. Bullshit. You don't like being called what you are, therefore
you liken it to being called a nigger, which is disinforming and
disingenuous and dishonest.

Post by u***@juno.com
Before you regurgitate venom all over the list because of this post, just stop
and think about maybe keeping it on an even keel and see if you can voice an
opinion without attaching racist, bigoted comments to it?

-------------------------
And NOW you're trying to UTILIZE your phony argument.
Calling lying criminals like you a lying criminal is not in any way"
bigoted".

Post by u***@juno.com
Just thought it might add an air of civility and class to the group........
<g>
John

------------------------
For that to happen you'd have to be tortured to death here horribly.

-Steve

u***@juno.com

2004-11-06 16:56:38 UTC

Post by John Fields
--------------
Nazi's are Rightists, like Republicans, YOU go read history!

You come flying in here this AM with twenty posts spouting all kinds of
misinformation and that is okay.

-----------------
Nope, bullshit, I'm informing, YOU'RE disinforming.

You aren't informing anyone of anything, other than you know how to swear a
lot, and make childish comments. You will never live long enough to put forth
a rational argument that Republicans are like Nazis. You are just a sad,
tired, broken little man who has no job, no life, no loved ones, and beyond
usenet, no life.

Disinforming????

Post by u***@juno.com
Everyone seems to want to publicly embarass
themselves in this group, why would you be any different.

-------------------
You're a contentless posturer.
{the rest of your posture deleted]

You see? When you are caught, and have to defend, you simply lash out with a
swearing tantrum, or you attack the messenger. That is absolutely the method
of the liberal, except you are a conservative, bent on stirring the pot here
and making comments that even you don't buy into. Nice try, but it takes a
real liberal to use the standard form of attack in the most persuasive manner.
Practice, practice, practice....

Post by John Fields
I don't know, but frankly, if there is going to be a

Post by u***@juno.com
reasonable dialog, there might ought to be some rules, and if its considered
wrong to call someone a nigger, then perhaps its wrong to call someone a
nazi. Fair is fair.

------------------------
Nope. Bullshit. You don't like being called what you are, therefore you liken
it to being called a nigger, which is disinforming and disingenuous and
dishonest.

Nah, I am not a Republican, so your attempt to classify me as a Nazi is
impotent, not unlike yourself. You don't even know what a Nazi is. You were
only born about twenty years ago, so how could you possibly know what Nazi
even is?

-------------------------
And NOW you're trying to UTILIZE your phony argument.
Calling lying criminals like you a lying criminal is not in any way"
bigoted".

Here again, the troll cannot defend his position, so he attacks and tries to
insult the messenger. Sad. Really sad. If you are going to make stuff up and
hang in the group as the phony you are, you are going to have to do better
than just say mean spirited stuff to people with whom you pretend to disagree.

Post by u***@juno.com
Just thought it might add an air of civility and class to the group........
<g>
John

------------------------
For that to happen you'd have to be tortured to death here horribly.

You are not very good at this usenet stuff. Maybe in a few more years of
practice you will be able to sustain a discussion with actual facts instead of
dopey attacks that for some reason you seem to think will make a man out of
you.

You are in the trash as there are better things to do than watch you flail
away and try to find some semblance of manhood by calling everyone names and
speaking abusively. Maybe some day, when you grow up, you will have something
useful to say, but I sure won't be seeing your posts, so I guess I will have
to miss that.

Steve, you are pretty good at pretending to be an idiot, but there are still
some holes in your act that you need to patch up before you can say that you
have succeeded. Its still obvious you are just trolling to try to incite, and
that you really do not have the courage of your own convictions in what you
say, and what you pretend to believe. Usually, when people do what you are
trying to do, they come off as pretty believable, but so far, I give you a D-

Have a nice life,

John

Jim Thompson

2004-11-06 17:33:57 UTC

[snip]

Post by u***@juno.com
Nah, I am not a Republican, so your attempt to classify me as a Nazi is
impotent, not unlike yourself. You don't even know what a Nazi is. You were
only born about twenty years ago, so how could you possibly know what Nazi
even is?

[snip]

IIRC, I believe Steve to be an old fart and pornography propagator.

...Jim Thompson

Rich The Philosophizer

2004-11-06 20:31:32 UTC

Post by Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover"
[snip]

[snip]
IIRC, I believe Steve to be an old fart and pornography propagator.

And is this supposed to be a bad thing or something?
I'm an old fart and pornography consumer, so I see no conflict here.

;^j
Rich

Rich The Philosophizer

2004-11-06 20:29:21 UTC

Post by R. Steve Walz
Nope, bullshit, I'm informing, YOU'RE disinforming.

Interesting things you say to yourself.

;^j
Rich

R. Steve Walz

2004-11-07 10:23:45 UTC

Post by John Fields
--------------
Nazi's are Rightists, like Republicans, YOU go read history!

You come flying in here this AM with twenty posts spouting all kinds of
misinformation and that is okay.

-----------------
Nope, bullshit, I'm informing, YOU'RE disinforming.

You aren't informing anyone of anything, other than you know how to swear a
lot, and make childish comments.

----------------------
You're disinforming again.

Post by u***@juno.com
You will never live long enough to put forth
a rational argument that Republicans are like Nazis.

-------------------------
I've lived to age 55, are you going to kill me now, you little faggoty
ponce?? And by the way, the well-recognized connect
between Nazi's and Rightists predates my whole life, you idiot.

Post by u***@juno.com
You are just a sad,
tired, broken little man who has no job,

----------------------------
Error, I have TWO jobs, idiot.

Post by u***@juno.com
no life,

--------------
Gee, and *I* thought this was it!

Post by u***@juno.com
no loved ones,

----------------
Just because YOU don't suck my dick doesn't mean I don't get that,
dip-shit.

Post by u***@juno.com
and beyond usenet, no life.

------------------------------
You seem to have a dismal opinion of Usenet, where you spend
SOOO much time trying to oppose me.

Post by u***@juno.com
Disinforming????

--------------------
Yeah, you, shit-mind.

Post by u***@juno.com
Everyone seems to want to publicly embarass
themselves in this group, why would you be any different.

-------------------
You're a contentless posturer.
{the rest of your posture deleted]

You see? When you are caught, and have to defend, you simply lash out with a
swearing tantrum, or you attack the messenger.

---------------------
Your posture was your only message, you stupid little prig!
You speak some cut-n-paste toss-off line and THEN you WHINE
that you "caught" me and I "have to defend"!! FROM WHAT?????
There WASN'T ANYTHING!!

Post by u***@juno.com
That is absolutely the method of the liberal,

----------------------
To respond against contentless posturers? I agree!!

Post by u***@juno.com
except you are a conservative,

---------------
Make up your mind, for Gawd sake!
Last *I* looked, a Communist was NOT a "conservative"!!

Post by u***@juno.com
bent on stirring the pot here
and making comments that even you don't buy into.

---------------------
You're searching for the word disingenuous, but you don't know it
because it's what YOU are!

Post by u***@juno.com
Nice try, but it takes a
real liberal to use the standard form of attack in the most persuasive manner.

-------------------------
More cut-n-paste toss-off lines.

Post by John Fields
Nope. Bullshit. You don't like being called what you are, therefore you liken
it to being called a nigger, which is disinforming and disingenuous and
dishonest.

Nah, I am not a Republican,

------------------------
Let's guess, you're a Lee-Bur-Tair-eean!
That's just an ignorant baby Republican.

Post by u***@juno.com
so your attempt to classify me as a Nazi is

-------------------------
Right on the money.

Post by u***@juno.com
impotent, not unlike yourself.

----------------------------
Since I just squirted my jiz in this lady's cunt, (Lady: "Hi!")
you're a liar, but you don't even know it!

Post by u***@juno.com
You don't even know what a Nazi is. You were
only born about twenty years ago, so how could you possibly know what Nazi
even is?

------------------------
Nope, 55 years ago this winter, shit-mind.

-------------------------
And NOW you're trying to UTILIZE your phony argument.
Calling lying criminals like you a lying criminal is not in any way"
bigoted".

Here again, the troll cannot defend his position, so he attacks and tries to
insult the messenger.

-----------------------
Message, I see no message! Only your posturing.

Post by u***@juno.com
Just thought it might add an air of civility and class to the group........
<g>
John

------------------------
For that to happen you'd have to be tortured to death here horribly.

You are not very good at this usenet stuff.

-----------------
You've been playing on the 12 y/o comeback group, I see!
{remainder of your best cut-n-paste deleted]

-Steve

Greg Pierce

2004-11-08 04:26:22 UTC

On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 10:23:45 +0000, the highly esteemed R. Steve Walz

Post by John Fields
--------------
Nazi's are Rightists, like Republicans, YOU go read history!

You come flying in here this AM with twenty posts spouting all kinds
of misinformation and that is okay.

-----------------
Nope, bullshit, I'm informing, YOU'RE disinforming.

You aren't informing anyone of anything, other than you know how to
swear a lot, and make childish comments.

----------------------
You're disinforming again.

Post by u***@juno.com
You will never live long enough to put forth a rational argument that
Republicans are like Nazis.

-------------------------
I've lived to age 55, are you going to kill me now, you little faggoty
ponce?? And by the way, the well-recognized connect between Nazi's and
Rightists predates my whole life, you idiot.

Hmm, well, lessee. The Nazi party was also known as the National
*Socialist* Party. Stalin was a Communist, but that didn't stop him from
killing 30 million of his people. Then there is China, that Communist
bastion of human rights </sarcasm>.

Having seen your posts, Walz, I have long since come to the conclusion
that you aren't a "tolerant, open-minded" individual, and given a chance
*you* would commit genocide to achieve your version of an "ideal"
communist society.

--
Greg

R. Steve Walz

2004-11-09 00:08:32 UTC

Post by Greg Pierce
On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 10:23:45 +0000, the highly esteemed R. Steve Walz

Post by John Fields
--------------
Nazi's are Rightists, like Republicans, YOU go read history!

You come flying in here this AM with twenty posts spouting all kinds
of misinformation and that is okay.

-----------------
Nope, bullshit, I'm informing, YOU'RE disinforming.

You aren't informing anyone of anything, other than you know how to
swear a lot, and make childish comments.

----------------------
You're disinforming again.

Post by u***@juno.com
You will never live long enough to put forth a rational argument that
Republicans are like Nazis.

-------------------------
I've lived to age 55, are you going to kill me now, you little faggoty
ponce?? And by the way, the well-recognized connect between Nazi's and
Rightists predates my whole life, you idiot.

--------------------------------
ALl Feudal Rightists running slave-labor States.
All you have to do to see if some nation that CALLS itself "socialist"
or "communist" really is, is to follow the money. If there are large
rich classes that the State funnels money to for no work, then this
is a Rightist Feudalism, and what it is CALLED is merely propaganda!
Russia called itself "communist" because of the immense popularity of
tthe rural illiterate-based movement of Lenin, but when the farmers
had to go home to plant, a few months after the October "Revolution",
the same apparatchicks who had run the State for the Tsars took over
just withouta Tsar, and they took the money themse;ves and banked it
offshore for 55 years, till they cashed in when the USSR collapsed and
they now rule with Putin and the Russian Mafia, the same bunch that
ran the Politburo. The word "Socialist" was used by the Hitler because
it was a popular pop-culture word in Europe at the time, and could make
adolescent youth blindly interested, but there was no socialism in a
truckload of the Nazi party. A lot like the little red wagon was called
a "Radio-Flyer" even though it had no radio and didn't fly. They were
pop buzzwaords at the time, that's all.

Post by Greg Pierce
Having seen your posts, Walz, I have long since come to the conclusion
that you aren't a "tolerant, open-minded" individual, and given a chance
*you* would commit genocide to achieve your version of an "ideal"
communist society.
Greg

-----------------------------
Killing political enemies is not genocide.

But no, I don't want the job,
I just want to watch it on TV and giggle.

-Steve

Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover"

2004-11-06 11:32:00 UTC

Post by John Fields
--------------
Nazi's are Rightists, like Republicans, YOU go read history!

You should be like others, and ignore his off-topic, bigoted crap.
Others have learned to duck and let the fit fly over when it hits the
shan.

Post by u***@juno.com
I realize you won't change your mind, and you will probably respond with some
really mean spirited comments, but I will take my turn on the soap box and ask
if it might be possible for all of us, not just you, but all of us, to knock
off the comments that have to include the accusation that someone is a Nazi?

Might as well be talking to a wall.

[snip]

group........

Post by u***@juno.com
<g>

You're just encouraging the troll.

Post by u***@juno.com
John

Fred Bloggs

2004-11-06 12:41:37 UTC

Watson A.Name - \"Watt Sun, the Dark Remover\" wrote:
[...snip usual moronic garbage...]

plonk...yawn or maybe yawn....plonk

Rich The Philosophizer

2004-11-06 20:34:00 UTC

Post by Fred Bloggs
[...snip usual moronic garbage...]
plonk...yawn or maybe yawn....plonk

Geez Watson, now you've done it. You've been bad and now Fred has
to punish you.

;^j
Rich

Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover"

2004-11-07 07:08:50 UTC

Post by Rich The Philosophizer

Post by Fred Bloggs
[...snip usual moronic garbage...]
plonk...yawn or maybe yawn....plonk

Geez Watson, now you've done it. You've been bad and now Fred has
to punish you.
;^j
Rich

Oh, him? Yeah... <hangs head in shame...> sorry...

R. Steve Walz

2004-11-07 10:05:58 UTC

Post by John Fields
--------------
Nazi's are Rightists, like Republicans, YOU go read history!

Steve,
You come flying in here this AM with twenty posts spouting all kinds

Post by u***@juno.com
misinformation and that is okay. Everyone seems to want to publicly

embarass

Post by u***@juno.com
themselves in this group, why would you be any different.

You should be like others, and ignore his off-topic, bigoted crap.

-----------------------
People attacking bigots can never be bigots.

-Steve

Dennis M. O'Connor

2004-11-07 17:03:15 UTC

Post by R. Steve Walz
People attacking bigots can never be bigots.

This is so obviously not true,
only an idiot or a troll would say it.
--
Dennis M. O'Connor ***@primenet.com

Jim Thompson

2004-11-02 14:23:23 UTC

On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 02:08:37 -0700, Marc 182

Post by Jim Thompson
My oldest daughter is a candidate (and most likely winner) for
Chairman of the Republican Party in Yuma County, Arizona ;-)
...Jim Thompson

Not likely... her husband is Libertarian.

...Jim Thompson

Rich Grise

2004-11-02 17:06:06 UTC

Post by Paul Burridge
On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 02:08:37 -0700, Marc 182

Post by Jim Thompson
My oldest daughter is a candidate (and most likely winner) for
Chairman of the Republican Party in Yuma County, Arizona ;-)
...Jim Thompson

Not likely... her husband is Libertarian.

She must be hot! <leer, snort>

Cheers!
Rich

John Fields

2004-11-02 23:03:47 UTC

Post by Paul Burridge
On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 02:08:37 -0700, Marc 182

Post by Jim Thompson
My oldest daughter is a candidate (and most likely winner) for
Chairman of the Republican Party in Yuma County, Arizona ;-)
...Jim Thompson

Not likely... her husband is Libertarian.

She must be hot! <leer, snort>

---
"Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife."

--
John Fields

Rich Grise

2004-11-03 01:43:50 UTC

Post by Paul Burridge
On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 02:08:37 -0700, Marc 182

Post by Jim Thompson
My oldest daughter is a candidate (and most likely winner) for
Chairman of the Republican Party in Yuma County, Arizona ;-)
...Jim Thompson

Not likely... her husband is Libertarian.

She must be hot! <leer, snort>

---
"Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife."

Yeah, but there's nothing in there about speculating about the physical
attributes of his married daughter. :-)

If she's married, and employed, I presume she's a grown-up, and able
to take a little ribbing. You didn't notice the "<leer, snort>"?

Oh, yeah, maybe I should mention - I pay no obeisance to Political
Correctness in any guise.

Cheers!
Rich

John Fields

2004-11-03 14:22:02 UTC

Post by Rich Grise
She must be hot! <leer, snort>

---
"Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife."

Yeah, but there's nothing in there about speculating about the physical
attributes of his married daughter. :-)

---
Her "attributes" are none of your business, and speculation about them
is an invitation to disaster.

--------------------------------
A Deed knocks first at Thought
And then -- it knocks at Will --
That is the manufacturing spot
And Will at Home and well

It then goes out an Act
Or is entombed so still
That only to the ear of God
Its Doom is audible --

Emily Dickinson
-------------------------------

Jam Jam Manen Baddham
Jam Jam Vayen Bhasiyam Pavam
Jam Jam Kayen Kayam
Tass Michhami Dukkaram

Whatever wrong I have done
By thought, word, or deed
I ask for absolution.

jain scripture - acharanga sutra
--------------------------------

Post by Rich Grise
If she's married, and employed, I presume she's a grown-up, and able
to take a little ribbing.

---
"Presumption" implies a knowledge of the future, which you have
earlier admitted to a lack of and to a lack of the arrogance you said
accompanies it.

"Able to take a little ribbing" implies that, for some reason, you
feel you should be able to take liberties with her which she shouldn't
mind. I find that _extremely_ arrogant.
---

Post by Rich Grise
You didn't notice the "<leer, snort>"?

---
Yes, I did, and I found it equally distasteful.
---

Post by Rich Grise
Oh, yeah, maybe I should mention - I pay no obeisance to Political
Correctness in any guise.

---
"Political Correctness" being anything which restricts your acting
out?

--
John Fields

John Fields

2004-11-03 14:39:33 UTC

On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 08:22:02 -0600, John Fields

Post by John Fields
Her "attributes" are none of your business, and speculation about them
is an invitation to disaster.
--------------------------------
A Deed knocks first at Thought
And then -- it knocks at Will --
That is the manufacturing spot
And Will at Home and well
It then goes out an Act
Or is entombed so still
That only to the ear of God
Its Doom is audible --
Emily Dickinson
-------------------------------
Jam Jam Manen Baddham
Jam Jam Vayen Bhasiyam Pavam
Jam Jam Kayen Kayam
Tass Michhami Dukkaram
Whatever wrong I have done
By thought, word, or deed
I ask for absolution.
jain scripture - acharanga sutra
--------------------------------

---
And, Matthew 5:27-29

--
John Fields

Product developer

2004-11-02 13:58:18 UTC

Awesome!

We need all the help we can get. Did she have to take any special
courses in how to fight the new religion called liberalism?

Jim Thompson

2004-11-02 14:32:11 UTC

Post by Product developer

Awesome!
We need all the help we can get. Did she have to take any special
courses in how to fight the new religion called liberalism?

It's just all in how you raise them ;-)

...Jim Thompson

Spehro Pefhany

2004-11-02 14:56:23 UTC

On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 10:10:10 -0700, the renowned Jim Thompson

Post by Jim Thompson
My oldest daughter is a candidate (and most likely winner) for
Chairman of the Republican Party in Yuma County, Arizona ;-)
...Jim Thompson

Congratulations! P.S. Did you get the e-mail I sent?

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
***@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

Jim Thompson

2004-11-02 15:08:37 UTC

On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 09:56:23 -0500, Spehro Pefhany

Post by Spehro Pefhany
On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 10:10:10 -0700, the renowned Jim Thompson

Post by Jim Thompson
My oldest daughter is a candidate (and most likely winner) for
Chairman of the Republican Party in Yuma County, Arizona ;-)
...Jim Thompson

Congratulations! P.S. Did you get the e-mail I sent?
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

Yes. But haven't had time to look into it. Business is BOOMING!

...Jim Thompson

Spehro Pefhany

2004-11-02 16:02:48 UTC

On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 08:08:37 -0700, the renowned Jim Thompson

Post by Jim Thompson
On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 09:56:23 -0500, Spehro Pefhany

Post by Spehro Pefhany
On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 10:10:10 -0700, the renowned Jim Thompson

Post by Jim Thompson
My oldest daughter is a candidate (and most likely winner) for
Chairman of the Republican Party in Yuma County, Arizona ;-)
...Jim Thompson

Congratulations! P.S. Did you get the e-mail I sent?
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

Yes. But haven't had time to look into it. Business is BOOMING!
...Jim Thompson

Okay, no rush. I just wanted to make sure that it didn't get filtered
out. When I get the parts and have a chance to evaluate them (probably
a few weeks), I'll send an update.

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
***@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

John Larkin

2004-11-02 16:13:02 UTC

On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 11:02:48 -0500, Spehro Pefhany

Post by Spehro Pefhany
On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 08:08:37 -0700, the renowned Jim Thompson

Post by Jim Thompson
On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 09:56:23 -0500, Spehro Pefhany

Post by Spehro Pefhany
On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 10:10:10 -0700, the renowned Jim Thompson

Post by Jim Thompson
My oldest daughter is a candidate (and most likely winner) for
Chairman of the Republican Party in Yuma County, Arizona ;-)
...Jim Thompson

Congratulations! P.S. Did you get the e-mail I sent?
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

Yes. But haven't had time to look into it. Business is BOOMING!
...Jim Thompson

Okay, no rush. I just wanted to make sure that it didn't get filtered
out. When I get the parts and have a chance to evaluate them (probably
a few weeks), I'll send an update.

Are you guys doing something fun and not telling me about it?

John

Jim Thompson

2004-11-02 16:27:39 UTC

On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 08:13:02 -0800, John Larkin

Post by John Larkin
On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 11:02:48 -0500, Spehro Pefhany

Post by Spehro Pefhany
On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 08:08:37 -0700, the renowned Jim Thompson

Post by Jim Thompson
On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 09:56:23 -0500, Spehro Pefhany

Post by Spehro Pefhany
On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 10:10:10 -0700, the renowned Jim Thompson

Post by Jim Thompson
My oldest daughter is a candidate (and most likely winner) for
Chairman of the Republican Party in Yuma County, Arizona ;-)
...Jim Thompson

Congratulations! P.S. Did you get the e-mail I sent?
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

Yes. But haven't had time to look into it. Business is BOOMING!
...Jim Thompson

Okay, no rush. I just wanted to make sure that it didn't get filtered
out. When I get the parts and have a chance to evaluate them (probably
a few weeks), I'll send an update.

Are you guys doing something fun and not telling me about it?
John

Yes ;-)

...Jim Thompson

Spehro Pefhany

2004-11-02 16:54:55 UTC