OT: Red Light Camera

I read in sci.electronics.design that Jim Thompson

Post by Jim Thompson
Check this out......
http://www.analog-innovations.com/Musings/RedLightCamera.mpg

Nasty, very nasty indeed.

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Mike

2004-07-14 19:30:57 UTC

And I thought my accident was bad, both vehicles totaled, nobody hurt.

Post by John Woodgate
I read in sci.electronics.design that Jim Thompson

Post by Jim Thompson
Check this out......
http://www.analog-innovations.com/Musings/RedLightCamera.mpg

Nasty, very nasty indeed.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

Richard Henry

2004-07-14 19:55:37 UTC

Post by John Woodgate
I read in sci.electronics.design that Jim Thompson

Post by Jim Thompson
Check this out......
http://www.analog-innovations.com/Musings/RedLightCamera.mpg

Nasty, very nasty indeed.

I can't tell from the video what state the lights were in. Was the
pedestrian jaywalking? Did he survive?

Jim Thompson

2004-07-14 20:08:03 UTC

Post by Richard Henry

Post by John Woodgate
I read in sci.electronics.design that Jim Thompson

Post by Jim Thompson
Check this out......
http://www.analog-innovations.com/Musings/RedLightCamera.mpg

Nasty, very nasty indeed.

I can't tell from the video what state the lights were in. Was the
pedestrian jaywalking? Did he survive?

FrankW posted this link...

http://www.snopes.com/photos/accident/carcrash01.asp

He was jaywalking. He was "dead at the scene", but was noticed to be
breathing as they were removing the "body". He's reported to be still
in serious condition at Miami (Ohio) Valley Hospital.

...Jim Thompson

Tim Wescott

2004-07-14 21:00:55 UTC

Post by Richard Henry

Post by John Woodgate
I read in sci.electronics.design that Jim Thompson

Post by Jim Thompson
Check this out......
http://www.analog-innovations.com/Musings/RedLightCamera.mpg

Nasty, very nasty indeed.

I can't tell from the video what state the lights were in. Was the
pedestrian jaywalking? Did he survive?

FrankW posted this link...
http://www.snopes.com/photos/accident/carcrash01.asp
He was jaywalking. He was "dead at the scene", but was noticed to be
breathing as they were removing the "body". He's reported to be still
in serious condition at Miami (Ohio) Valley Hospital.
...Jim Thompson

Not that there wasn't a _very_ stupid driver involved, which would have
just as likely taken out a legal pedestrian.

A friend of my dad's was a deputy Sheriff when he saw an accident like
this developing (sans pedestrian). He couldn't do anything to prevent
it, but he _could_ stick his mic out the window and key it at the
critical moment. He unkeyed his mic, and the unflappable Clackamas
County Sheriff's dispatcher radioed "would the unit at the scene of the
injury accident please report your ID and location?"

--
Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

Jim Thompson

2004-07-14 21:23:23 UTC

On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:00:55 -0700, Tim Wescott
<***@wescottnospamdesign.com> wrote:

[snip]

Post by Tim Wescott
A friend of my dad's was a deputy Sheriff when he saw an accident like
this developing (sans pedestrian). He couldn't do anything to prevent
it, but he _could_ stick his mic out the window and key it at the
critical moment. He unkeyed his mic, and the unflappable Clackamas
County Sheriff's dispatcher radioed "would the unit at the scene of the
injury accident please report your ID and location?"

Some dispatchers are just amazingly calm ;-)

...Jim Thompson

ptaylor

2004-07-16 02:33:40 UTC

Post by Tim Wescott

Post by Richard Henry

Post by John Woodgate
I read in sci.electronics.design that Jim Thompson

Post by Jim Thompson
Check this out......
http://www.analog-innovations.com/Musings/RedLightCamera.mpg

Nasty, very nasty indeed.

I can't tell from the video what state the lights were in. Was the
pedestrian jaywalking? Did he survive?

FrankW posted this link...
http://www.snopes.com/photos/accident/carcrash01.asp
He was jaywalking. He was "dead at the scene", but was noticed to be
breathing as they were removing the "body". He's reported to be still
in serious condition at Miami (Ohio) Valley Hospital.
...Jim Thompson

Not that there wasn't a _very_ stupid driver involved, which would have
just as likely taken out a legal pedestrian.
A friend of my dad's was a deputy Sheriff when he saw an accident like
this developing (sans pedestrian). He couldn't do anything to prevent
it, but he _could_ stick his mic out the window and key it at the
critical moment. He unkeyed his mic, and the unflappable Clackamas
County Sheriff's dispatcher radioed "would the unit at the scene of the
injury accident please report your ID and location?"

Clackamas county,in Oregon? My G/F works there as a
dispatcher/call-taker. I hear some crazy stories...

hamilton

2004-07-14 16:13:59 UTC

How did you get the mpg file ??

Post by Jim Thompson
Check this out......
http://www.analog-innovations.com/Musings/RedLightCamera.mpg
...Jim Thompson

Jim Thompson

2004-07-14 17:51:26 UTC

On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:13:59 -0600, hamilton

Post by hamilton
How did you get the mpg file ??

Post by Jim Thompson
Check this out......
http://www.analog-innovations.com/Musings/RedLightCamera.mpg
...Jim Thompson

The father of my daughter-in-law E-mailed it to me.

His comment was "I have a PT Cruiser I'd like to get rid of also" ;-)

...Jim Thompson

Oppie

2004-07-14 18:15:31 UTC

Wasn't that something though how the crunched in area of the Subaru caught
the pedestrian in the hollow and didn't completely crush him as it rolled
over. What are the odds? The article listed that he was seriously injured,
hope he survived. My prayers to him and his family.
Oppie

news story posted by FrankW
http://www.snopes.com/photos/accident/carcrash01.asp

Post by Jim Thompson
Check this out......
http://www.analog-innovations.com/Musings/RedLightCamera.mpg
...Jim Thompson

The father of my daughter-in-law E-mailed it to me.
His comment was "I have a PT Cruiser I'd like to get rid of also" ;-)
...Jim Thompson

User

2004-07-15 02:21:43 UTC

Post by hamilton
How did you get the mpg file ??

Its been going around the internet for a while now. I don't buy that the
accident happened in 2004, since the first time I saw the mpeg was last
year!

Jim Thompson

2004-07-15 16:26:41 UTC

Post by User

Post by hamilton
How did you get the mpg file ??

Its been going around the internet for a while now. I don't buy that the
accident happened in 2004, since the first time I saw the mpeg was last
year!

http://www.snopes.com/photos/accident/carcrash01.asp

Says it happened May 23, 2004.

But maybe it's yet another urban legend ;-)

...Jim Thompson

John Larkin

2004-07-14 16:40:19 UTC

On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 08:23:00 -0700, Jim Thompson

Post by Jim Thompson
Check this out......
http://www.analog-innovations.com/Musings/RedLightCamera.mpg
...Jim Thompson

Wow, offed an SUV and a PT Cruiser in one whack. Excellent bag.

John

Roger Gt

2004-07-14 16:56:56 UTC

"John Larkin" <***@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com>
wrote in message news:***@4ax.com...
: On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 08:23:00 -0700, Jim Thompson
: <***@example.com> wrote:
:
: >Check this out......
: >
: >http://www.analog-innovations.com/Musings/RedLightCamera.mpg
: >
: > ...Jim Thompson
:
: Wow, offed an SUV and a PT Cruiser in one whack. Excellent bag.
:
: John

AND an innocent pedestrian!

So did anyone survive?
How many years in Jail did the guy that ran the light get?

John Larkin

2004-07-14 17:08:30 UTC

Post by Roger Gt
: On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 08:23:00 -0700, Jim Thompson
: >Check this out......
: >
: >http://www.analog-innovations.com/Musings/RedLightCamera.mpg
: >
: > ...Jim Thompson
: Wow, offed an SUV and a PT Cruiser in one whack. Excellent bag.
: John
AND an innocent pedestrian!
So did anyone survive?
How many years in Jail did the guy that ran the light get?

Oops, yeah, looks like he didn't get away. Wasn't he crossing against
the light too?

John

Roger Gt

2004-07-14 17:12:00 UTC

"John Larkin" <***@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com>
wrote in message news:***@4ax.com...
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: >: On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 08:23:00 -0700, Jim Thompson
: >: <***@example.com> wrote:
: >:
: >: >Check this out......
: >: >http://www.analog-innovations.com/Musings/RedLightCamera.mpg
: >: > ...Jim Thompson
: >:
: >: Wow, offed an SUV and a PT Cruiser in one whack. Excellent
bag.
: >: John
: >AND an innocent pedestrian!
: >So did anyone survive?
: >How many years in Jail did the guy that ran the light get?
:
: Oops, yeah, looks like he didn't get away. Wasn't he crossing
against
: the light too? : John

That's a TICKET, not a death penalty!
I know of no place that permits harvesting pedestrians!

Roger Gt

2004-07-14 17:14:44 UTC

"John Larkin" <***@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com>
wrote in message news:***@4ax.com...
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: >: On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 08:23:00 -0700, Jim Thompson
: >: <***@example.com> wrote:
: >:
: >: >Check this out......
: >: >http://www.analog-innovations.com/Musings/RedLightCamera.mpg
: >: > ...Jim Thompson
: >:
: >: Wow, offed an SUV and a PT Cruiser in one whack. Excellent
bag.
: >: John
: >
: >AND an innocent pedestrian!
: >So did anyone survive?
: >How many years in Jail did the guy that ran the light get?
:
: Oops, yeah, looks like he didn't get away. Wasn't he crossing
against
: the light too? : John

He may have been in the intersection legally, if he entered on a
green! Everyone must yield until he crosses! You aren't supposed
to hit anyone at all!

Fred Bloggs

2004-07-15 14:25:17 UTC

The PT Cruiser with a 75yo old lady was running the light, the crossing
SUV had the green- so the pedestrian was crossing against the red
crossing light- but it is also clear the SUV was operated by a mentally
challenged individual exercising no caution- a confluence of
mindlessness all around- every single individual was in the wrong. A lot
of these old people are on serious prescription drugs and their minds
are zeroed- so you really need to watch for them- treat them like a
runaway vehicle with no driver- and avoid going near drug stores- the
damned bastards need to stay home, they have no business going out in
public. There was a time when old meant wisdom, but thanks to modern
medicine this is no longer the case, old now mostly means a worthless
young person who survived to old age and still worthless.

Richard Henry

2004-07-15 15:07:47 UTC

Post by Fred Bloggs

Why is that "clear"?

Post by Fred Bloggs
a confluence of
mindlessness all around- every single individual was in the wrong. A lot
of these old people are on serious prescription drugs and their minds
are zeroed- so you really need to watch for them- treat them like a
runaway vehicle with no driver- and avoid going near drug stores- the
damned bastards need to stay home, they have no business going out in
public. There was a time when old meant wisdom, but thanks to modern
medicine this is no longer the case, old now mostly means a worthless
young person who survived to old age and still worthless.

John Woodgate

2004-07-15 16:19:24 UTC

There was a time when old meant wisdom, but thanks to modern medicine this is no
longer the case, old now mostly means a worthless young person who survived to
old age and still worthless.

But will you still think so in 20 years?

John Fields

2004-07-15 16:42:49 UTC

On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:19:24 +0100, John Woodgate

Post by John Woodgate

There was a time when old meant wisdom, but thanks to modern medicine this is no
longer the case, old now mostly means a worthless young person who survived to
old age and still worthless.

But will you still think so in 20 years?

---
Prob'ly not; Pete Townsend's still alive, isn't he?

--
John Fields

Jim Thompson

2004-07-15 18:12:36 UTC

On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:19:24 +0100, John Woodgate

Post by John Woodgate

There was a time when old meant wisdom, but thanks to modern medicine this is no
longer the case, old now mostly means a worthless young person who survived to
old age and still worthless.

But will you still think so in 20 years?

Surrounded by old folk (my father is almost 86, and most of his
brothers and sisters are still alive) I find mental and physical
capacity to vary highly from individual to individual.

Based on the observations of my limited sample size, it seems to me
that folk who used their minds regularly throughout their lives keep
their mental capacity into old age.

Physically my body is not treating me too nicely, particularly since I
had polio when I was seven, and arthritis is now taking advantage of
my skeletal frailties, but I'll mentally take on a 20-year-old any day
;-)

...Jim Thompson

Charles Schuler

2004-07-16 21:40:32 UTC

Having a bad day, are we?

John Larkin

2004-07-14 16:50:12 UTC

On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 08:23:00 -0700, Jim Thompson

Post by Jim Thompson
Check this out......
http://www.analog-innovations.com/Musings/RedLightCamera.mpg
...Jim Thompson

Oh, I forgot to mention: Happy Bastille Day!

John

FrankW

2004-07-14 17:29:27 UTC

http://www.snopes.com/photos/accident/carcrash01.asp

Post by Jim Thompson
Check this out......
http://www.analog-innovations.com/Musings/RedLightCamera.mpg
...Jim Thompson

Tim Auton

2004-07-14 23:14:39 UTC

Post by Jim Thompson
Check this out......
http://www.analog-innovations.com/Musings/RedLightCamera.mpg

Jim, you are one sick fuck.

Tim

--
My last .sig was rubbish too.

dave vanhorn

2004-07-15 02:17:50 UTC

Post by Jim Thompson
Check this out......
http://www.analog-innovations.com/Musings/RedLightCamera.mpg

Ouch.

I lost my first new car like that.
I was driving through a green, and BANG.
He was in a little pickup, me in a little wagon.
He actually came up on top of my hood, and spun me more than 180
degrees.
Even that didn't stop him, he deflected about 30 degrees to his left
and hit the median. He claimed to be only going 30 mph. :)

The fellow on my left, sitting at the red light, saw the whole thing.
Better yet, he had just left the bar where he and the fellow that hit
me had been!

The spot was a four-way like this, except to my right was not a road,
but a freeway onramp. The guy that hit me was going to the freeway.

Blair P. Houghton

2004-07-15 04:10:04 UTC

Post by Jim Thompson
Check this out......
http://www.analog-innovations.com/Musings/RedLightCamera.mpg

Cool. Got any beheadings you don't want to warn people about?

--Blair
"Jerk."

Clifford Heath

2004-07-15 10:12:28 UTC

Post by Jim Thompson
http://www.analog-innovations.com/Musings/RedLightCamera.mpg

I've just shown this to the learner driver in this house.
The point being not "don't run red lights", but "don't assume
no-one else will, especially in the first couple of seconds
of the green." The SUV driver was far from blameless here.
They didn't just start off from the green! Trying to judge
the green so you can shoot through is almost as dangerous as
running reds, if you aren't ready to avoid someone who can't
or won't stop.

My neighbour was in the outer lane at a cross-road beside a
women in the inner lane when the light went green. He saw a
dump truck shooting down the hill that obviously wasn't going
to be able to stop, and frantically tried to attract the woman's
attention to stop her. Shedrove forward on the green and was
killed instantly in the collision, orphaning her three children.

Jim Thompson

2004-07-15 15:22:02 UTC

On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 20:12:28 +1000, Clifford Heath

Post by Clifford Heath

Post by Jim Thompson
http://www.analog-innovations.com/Musings/RedLightCamera.mpg

I've just shown this to the learner driver in this house.
The point being not "don't run red lights", but "don't assume
no-one else will, especially in the first couple of seconds
of the green."

Good advice, however....

Post by Clifford Heath
The SUV driver was far from blameless here.
They didn't just start off from the green! Trying to judge
the green so you can shoot through is almost as dangerous as
running reds, if you aren't ready to avoid someone who can't
or won't stop.

The light had been red for 28 seconds, read the FrankW link:

http://www.snopes.com/photos/accident/carcrash01.asp

Post by Clifford Heath
My neighbour was in the outer lane at a cross-road beside a
women in the inner lane when the light went green. He saw a
dump truck shooting down the hill that obviously wasn't going
to be able to stop, and frantically tried to attract the woman's
attention to stop her. She drove forward on the green and was
killed instantly in the collision, orphaning her three children.

...Jim Thompson

John Larkin

2004-07-15 16:48:17 UTC

On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 08:22:02 -0700, Jim Thompson

Post by FrankW
http://www.snopes.com/photos/accident/carcrash01.asp

Which sort of removes any excuse for the ped to be in the middle of
the street. It almost looks like the SUV would have hit him anyhow.

John

Jim Thompson

2004-07-15 18:04:33 UTC

On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 09:48:17 -0700, John Larkin

Post by John Larkin
On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 08:22:02 -0700, Jim Thompson

Post by FrankW
http://www.snopes.com/photos/accident/carcrash01.asp

Which sort of removes any excuse for the ped to be in the middle of
the street. It almost looks like the SUV would have hit him anyhow.
John

If it's not a staged urban legend, it's certainly going to be an
interesting set of law suits ;-)

...Jim Thompson

Daniel Haude

2004-07-16 11:01:31 UTC

["Followup-To:" header set to sci.electronics.design.]
On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 08:23:00 -0700,

Post by Jim Thompson
Check this out......
http://www.analog-innovations.com/Musings/RedLightCamera.mpg
...Jim Thompson

Reminds me of this (Mercedes vs non-jaywalking pedestrian):

http://poetry.rotten.com/redlight/

--Daniel

--
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a***@MIX.COM

2004-07-25 19:05:21 UTC

Post by Jim Thompson
Check this out......
http://www.analog-innovations.com/Musings/RedLightCamera.mpg

Love to but your name servers are MIA this morning......

Billy Y..

Jim Thompson

2004-07-25 19:12:03 UTC

Post by Jim Thompson
Check this out......
http://www.analog-innovations.com/Musings/RedLightCamera.mpg

Love to but your name servers are MIA this morning......
Billy Y..

Must be a CA problem, it's working here in Phoenix.

...Jim Thompson

a***@MIX.COM

2004-07-26 17:25:48 UTC

Post by Jim Thompson
Must be a CA problem, it's working here in Phoenix.

Yes it's working again now. Funny how the guy who
caused the crash got the least of it all. Too bad.

Then on the other side of all this we have -

http://www.highwayrobbery.net/

Billy Y..

Jim Thompson

2004-07-26 17:44:58 UTC

Post by Jim Thompson
Must be a CA problem, it's working here in Phoenix.

Yes it's working again now. Funny how the guy who
caused the crash got the least of it all. Too bad.
Then on the other side of all this we have -
http://www.highwayrobbery.net/
Billy Y..

I've never been nabbed by a red-light camera... I'm very punchy about
red lights, having been T-boned twice by red-light runners.

Yet I am absolutely sure that most red-light cameras are timed to make
money, NOT improve safety.

So much so that I've been tempted to add some computer-based red-light
timing equipment to my repertoire and offer my services to lawyers ;-)

...Jim Thompson

Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover"

2004-07-27 08:34:59 UTC

Post by Jim Thompson
Must be a CA problem, it's working here in Phoenix.

Yes it's working again now. Funny how the guy who
caused the crash got the least of it all. Too bad.
Then on the other side of all this we have -
http://www.highwayrobbery.net/
Billy Y..

I've never been nabbed by a red-light camera... I'm very punchy about
red lights, having been T-boned twice by red-light runners.
Yet I am absolutely sure that most red-light cameras are timed to make
money, NOT improve safety.
So much so that I've been tempted to add some computer-based red-light
timing equipment to my repertoire and offer my services to lawyers ;-)
...Jim Thompson
--

The city installed 20 of the 'photo enforced' cameras around the city.
One lady at wotk got a ticket for not making a complete stop at a right
turn, $378.00!

One of the lights is at the intersection at our main campus, and I
notice that the yellos lights seem to be much shorter now. I think the
bastards have made it more difficult to get thru the light changes just
so they will make more money. The city contracts with some company to
do the installation and maintenance, and I think there is a great amount
of incentive to make the system pay. Once residents know about (or get
caught by) the system, the revenues diminish, and then the city has a
problem justifying the system. I believe there should be some kind of
law or court decision that standardizes the parameters that these
systems operate within, and prevents the municipalities from taking
advantage of the unwary drivers.

John G

2004-07-27 09:14:01 UTC

Post by Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover"

Post by Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover"

Post by Jim Thompson
Must be a CA problem, it's working here in Phoenix.

Yes it's working again now. Funny how the guy who
caused the crash got the least of it all. Too bad.
Then on the other side of all this we have -
http://www.highwayrobbery.net/
Billy Y..

I've never been nabbed by a red-light camera... I'm very punchy about
red lights, having been T-boned twice by red-light runners.
Yet I am absolutely sure that most red-light cameras are timed to make
money, NOT improve safety.
So much so that I've been tempted to add some computer-based

red-light

Post by Jim Thompson
timing equipment to my repertoire and offer my services to lawyers ;-)
...Jim Thompson
--

The city installed 20 of the 'photo enforced' cameras around the city.
One lady at wotk got a ticket for not making a complete stop at a right
turn, $378.00!
One of the lights is at the intersection at our main campus, and I
notice that the yellos lights seem to be much shorter now. I think the
bastards have made it more difficult to get thru the light changes just
so they will make more money. The city contracts with some company to
do the installation and maintenance, and I think there is a great amount
of incentive to make the system pay. Once residents know about (or get
caught by) the system, the revenues diminish, and then the city has a
problem justifying the system. I believe there should be some kind of
law or court decision that standardizes the parameters that these
systems operate within, and prevents the municipalities from taking
advantage of the unwary drivers.

Where do you think you could find a lawyer that could spell, let alone
understand, the word parameter?
And then make a reasoned case about Standarizing (another big word)
them.

--
John G

Wot's Your Real Problem?

Spehro Pefhany

2004-07-27 12:06:38 UTC

On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 19:14:01 +1000, the renowned "John G"

Post by John G
Where do you think you could find a lawyer that could spell, let alone
understand, the word parameter?
And then make a reasoned case about Standarizing (another big word)
them.

What are you talking about? Words (both spoken and written) are the
tools of lawyers. A good lawyer is EXTREMELY proficient at using and
abusing words.

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

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Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover"

2004-07-27 12:41:55 UTC

Post by Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover"

Post by Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover"

Post by Jim Thompson
Must be a CA problem, it's working here in Phoenix.

Yes it's working again now. Funny how the guy who
caused the crash got the least of it all. Too bad.
Then on the other side of all this we have -
http://www.highwayrobbery.net/
Billy Y..

I've never been nabbed by a red-light camera... I'm very punchy

about

Post by Jim Thompson
red lights, having been T-boned twice by red-light runners.
Yet I am absolutely sure that most red-light cameras are timed to

make

Post by Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover"

Post by Jim Thompson
money, NOT improve safety.
So much so that I've been tempted to add some computer-based

red-light

Post by Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover"

Post by Jim Thompson
timing equipment to my repertoire and offer my services to lawyers

;-)

Post by Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover"

Post by Jim Thompson
...Jim Thompson
--

The city installed 20 of the 'photo enforced' cameras around the city.
One lady at wotk got a ticket for not making a complete stop at a

right

Post by Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover"
turn, $378.00!
One of the lights is at the intersection at our main campus, and I
notice that the yellos lights seem to be much shorter now. I think

the

Post by Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover"
bastards have made it more difficult to get thru the light changes

just

Post by Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover"
so they will make more money. The city contracts with some company to
do the installation and maintenance, and I think there is a great

amount

Post by Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover"
of incentive to make the system pay. Once residents know about (or

get

Post by Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover"
caught by) the system, the revenues diminish, and then the city has a
problem justifying the system. I believe there should be some kind of
law or court decision that standardizes the parameters that these
systems operate within, and prevents the municipalities from taking
advantage of the unwary drivers.

Where do you think you could find a lawyer that could spell, let alone
understand, the word parameter?
And then make a reasoned case about Standarizing (another big word)
them.

We got another RSW here? I wouldn't dignify this guy's followup with a
reply.

Post by Jim Thompson
--
John G
Wot's Your Real Problem?

Rich Grise

2004-07-27 21:55:15 UTC

Post by Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover"
problem justifying the system. I believe there should be some kind of
law or court decision that standardizes the parameters that these
systems operate within, and prevents the municipalities from taking
advantage of the unwary drivers.

Well, no, they're taking advantage of people who routinely flout the
law.

I've heard that cops report that, at least officially, they don't mind
when people give away the location(s) of speed trap(s) - their intent,
after all, officially, is to serve public safety, and just knowing
about a speed trap (or thinking there's one) will make people drive
more safely, or at least more slowly.

How stupid/impatient do you have to be to run red lights when there's
big cameras on the post and a sign that says, "Photo-enforced crossing"
or some such? Sheesh!

Cheers!
Rich

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2004-07-30 17:42:58 UTC

Post by Rich Grise
I've heard that cops report that, at least officially, they don't mind
when people give away the location(s) of speed trap(s) - their intent,

Back when I owned a radio station we used to broadcast the locations,
until the cops got the USA's broadcast licensing agency to make us stop.

The intent here at least in this country is to extract the maximum amount
of money from the drivers, period.

Billy Y..

Jim Thompson

2004-07-30 19:05:23 UTC

Post by Rich Grise
I've heard that cops report that, at least officially, they don't mind
when people give away the location(s) of speed trap(s) - their intent,

Back when I owned a radio station we used to broadcast the locations,
until the cops got the USA's broadcast licensing agency to make us stop.
The intent here at least in this country is to extract the maximum amount
of money from the drivers, period.
Billy Y..

A friend of mine got roughed up by Scottsdale cops for setting out a
real-estate-type sign saying "Speed Radar Ahead" every time he spotted
a radar trap.

He then sued Scottsdale and they settled for $20K, which wasn't too
shabby an amount back in the '70's.

...Jim Thompson

Joe Walters

2004-08-17 02:56:33 UTC

Post by Jim Thompson
Must be a CA problem, it's working here in Phoenix.

Yes it's working again now. Funny how the guy who
caused the crash got the least of it all. Too bad.
Then on the other side of all this we have -
http://www.highwayrobbery.net/
Billy Y..

I've never been nabbed by a red-light camera... I'm very punchy about
red lights, having been T-boned twice by red-light runners.
Yet I am absolutely sure that most red-light cameras are timed to make
money, NOT improve safety.
So much so that I've been tempted to add some computer-based red-light
timing equipment to my repertoire and offer my services to lawyers ;-)
...Jim Thompson

Don't remember the intersection or even the town (when in doubt, blame
Scottsdale :-), where a guy proved that the yellow lights in the
intersection that nabbed him were N seconds shorter than all other
non-camera intersections. The judge threw out a bunch of tickets, and as
I remember, ordered that the yellow lights in that intersection be set
to the norm for the town. The company that ran the cameras was very
unhappy.

Kind Regards,

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2004-08-17 14:49:58 UTC

Post by Joe Walters
Don't remember the intersection or even the town (when in doubt, blame
Scottsdale :-), where a guy proved that the yellow lights in the
intersection that nabbed him were N seconds shorter than all other
non-camera intersections. The judge threw out a bunch of tickets, and as
I remember, ordered that the yellow lights in that intersection be set
to the norm for the town. The company that ran the cameras was very
unhappy.

We had that happen right here in the Washington, DC area. They,
Martin-Maretta, had a hole string of traffic lights all with 5 second
yellows, and then the one with the camera had a 4 second yellow.

Makes you feel kinda warm and fuzzy all over. Especially when you
learn that MM sets the yellow light durations, and MM gets over 50% of the
money from each ticket it collects. The various jurisdictions like that
because the cameras are free, and MM does all of the processing. Kind of
a corrupt form of rent.

-Chuck

Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover"

2004-08-18 00:52:52 UTC

Post by Chuck Harris

We had that happen right here in the Washington, DC area. They,
Martin-Maretta, had a hole string of traffic lights all with 5 second
yellows, and then the one with the camera had a 4 second yellow.
Makes you feel kinda warm and fuzzy all over. Especially when you
learn that MM sets the yellow light durations, and MM gets over 50% of the
money from each ticket it collects. The various jurisdictions like that
because the cameras are free, and MM does all of the processing. Kind of
a corrupt form of rent.

That's why they named the website (which got snipped from above)
http://www.highwayrobbery.net/.

Post by Chuck Harris
-Chuck

Jim Thompson

2004-08-17 16:08:40 UTC

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Post by Joe Walters

Post by Jim Thompson
Yet I am absolutely sure that most red-light cameras are timed to make
money, NOT improve safety.
So much so that I've been tempted to add some computer-based red-light
timing equipment to my repertoire and offer my services to lawyers ;-)
...Jim Thompson

Don't remember the intersection or even the town (when in doubt, blame
Scottsdale :-), where a guy proved that the yellow lights in the
intersection that nabbed him were N seconds shorter than all other
non-camera intersections. The judge threw out a bunch of tickets, and as
I remember, ordered that the yellow lights in that intersection be set
to the norm for the town. The company that ran the cameras was very
unhappy.
Kind Regards,
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I don't think Scottsdale has any red light cameras, just speed
cameras, like Paradise Valley; but Mesa and Phoenix, and I think
Glendale, have red light cameras.

...Jim Thompson

Paul Wylie

2004-08-17 16:21:21 UTC