Donate Frequent Flyer Miles to Our Troops

[Jim Thompson]

Did you know that you can donate some of your frequent flyer miles to
benefit our troops getting to their homes from Iraq?

The military generally flies a soldier only back to his base. Your
frequent flyer miles can get them the rest of the way home....

http://www.heromiles.org/

I think most of the airlines are now participating.

...Jim Thompson

[Don Pearce]

On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 14:14:20 -0700, Jim Thompson

Post by Jim Thompson
Did you know that you can donate some of your frequent flyer miles to
benefit our troops getting to their homes from Iraq?
The military generally flies a soldier only back to his base. Your
frequent flyer miles can get them the rest of the way home....
http://www.heromiles.org/
I think most of the airlines are now participating.
...Jim Thompson

Don't they get paid, then? Seems a pretty lousy sort of deal to me.

d

_____________________________

http://www.pearce.uk.com

[Jim Thompson]

Post by Don Pearce
On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 14:14:20 -0700, Jim Thompson

Post by Jim Thompson
Did you know that you can donate some of your frequent flyer miles to
benefit our troops getting to their homes from Iraq?
The military generally flies a soldier only back to his base. Your
frequent flyer miles can get them the rest of the way home....
http://www.heromiles.org/
I think most of the airlines are now participating.
...Jim Thompson

Don't they get paid, then? Seems a pretty lousy sort of deal to me.
d
_____________________________
http://www.pearce.uk.com

Paid? Who? Airlines? Troops?

My understanding is that the airlines will honor the miles as if it
were you personally using them.

I donated all my accrued AA mileage that I hadn't used, about 5000
miles. I fly so little anymore that my other accounts didn't have
piddling in them.

...Jim Thompson

[Southern]

Post by Don Pearce
On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 14:14:20 -0700, Jim Thompson

Post by Jim Thompson
Did you know that you can donate some of your frequent flyer miles to
benefit our troops getting to their homes from Iraq?
The military generally flies a soldier only back to his base. Your
frequent flyer miles can get them the rest of the way home....
http://www.heromiles.org/
I think most of the airlines are now participating.
...Jim Thompson

Don't they get paid, then? Seems a pretty lousy sort of deal to me.
d

Military will get them back to their duty station, the donated miles get
home and back from there.

[repatch]

Gee, that's great, but did you ever think about the possiblity that not
everyone here is from the states, and not everyone here exactly AGREES with
what the states is doing??

Post by Jim Thompson
Did you know that you can donate some of your frequent flyer miles to
benefit our troops getting to their homes from Iraq?
The military generally flies a soldier only back to his base. Your
frequent flyer miles can get them the rest of the way home....
http://www.heromiles.org/
I think most of the airlines are now participating.
...Jim Thompson
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Post by repatch
Gee, that's great, but did you ever think about the possiblity that not
everyone here is from the states,

Really? I didn't know that ;-)

Post by repatch
and not everyone here exactly AGREES with
what the states is doing??

Really? I didn't know that, but do you think I care?

Post by repatch

Post by Jim Thompson
Did you know that you can donate some of your frequent flyer miles to
benefit our troops getting to their homes from Iraq?

[snip]

...Jim Thompson

[Bill Garber]

"Jim Thompson" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:***@4ax.com...
: On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:51:21 -0500, "repatch"
<***@yahoo.com>
: wrote:
:
: >Gee, that's great, but did you ever think about the possiblity
that not
: >everyone here is from the states,
:
: Really? I didn't know that ;-)
:
: >and not everyone here exactly AGREES with
: >what the states is doing??
:
: Really? I didn't know that, but do you think I care?

They don't agree that Hussein needed his arse
kicked??? I guess they live in a glass case and
have never been persecuted.

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[Rheilly Phoull]

Post by Bill Garber
: On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:51:21 -0500, "repatch"
: >Gee, that's great, but did you ever think about the possiblity
that not
: >everyone here is from the states,
: Really? I didn't know that ;-)
: >and not everyone here exactly AGREES with
: >what the states is doing??
: Really? I didn't know that, but do you think I care?
They don't agree that Hussein needed his arse
kicked??? I guess they live in a glass case and
have never been persecuted.
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Hmmm, the USA rage against persecution seems somewhat selective ??

[Bill Garber]

"Rheilly Phoull" <***@bigpong.net> wrote in message news:3fdfc7f9$0$1742$***@freenews.iinet.net.au...
:
: "Bill Garber" <***@comcast.net> wrote in message
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: >
: > They don't agree that Hussein needed his arse
: > kicked??? I guess they live in a glass case and
: > have never been persecuted.
: >
: Hmmm, the USA rage against persecution seems somewhat selective
??

Not really, there are lots of people in the world
that need to have their arses kicked. I'd have to
post probably 25-30 times to list them all. Yes,
I am from the USA, but I only speak for myself.
The rest of the world can speak for themselves.

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[Rich Grise]

Well, I live in the US and I'm ashamed. Spend trillions
of dollars and lives satisfying some sick personal
vendetta. Shudder!

And of course, the "Department of Homeland Security,"
or whatever in Hell it's called. I HATE the country
being the biggest perpretrator of war in the history
of life, (well, at least in dollaras spent and sheer
killing power) albeit it's a very comfortable cage
for me. I can sit here and bitch about the Government,
and so far they haven't sent anybody after me. The IRS
confiscated my bank account once, but that's not
political ;-)

But I wonder how many Americans will admit that the
antics of the US government make it rightly the butt of
a lot of bitching?

Certainly none of the blindered Dubya fans, that's for
sure. He can do no wrong, you know. I can't understand
why those nasty French don't like him. They must be
savages. Yeah, that's it.

It's amazing the number of people who would rather be
right than happy. :-)

Cheers!
Rich

Post by Rheilly Phoull

Post by Bill Garber
: On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:51:21 -0500, "repatch"
: >Gee, that's great, but did you ever think about the possiblity
that not
: >everyone here is from the states,
: Really? I didn't know that ;-)
: >and not everyone here exactly AGREES with
: >what the states is doing??
: Really? I didn't know that, but do you think I care?
They don't agree that Hussein needed his arse
kicked??? I guess they live in a glass case and
have never been persecuted.
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[Bruce Robin]

Nice liturgy. And this relates to Home Automation how? There's lots of
political newsgroups for this debate. Please take it there.

Post by Rich Grise
Well, I live in the US and I'm ashamed. Spend trillions
of dollars and lives satisfying some sick personal
vendetta. Shudder!
And of course, the "Department of Homeland Security,"
or whatever in Hell it's called. I HATE the country
being the biggest perpretrator of war in the history
of life, (well, at least in dollaras spent and sheer
killing power) albeit it's a very comfortable cage
for me. I can sit here and bitch about the Government,
and so far they haven't sent anybody after me. The IRS
confiscated my bank account once, but that's not
political ;-)
But I wonder how many Americans will admit that the
antics of the US government make it rightly the butt of
a lot of bitching?
Certainly none of the blindered Dubya fans, that's for
sure. He can do no wrong, you know. I can't understand
why those nasty French don't like him. They must be
savages. Yeah, that's it.
It's amazing the number of people who would rather be
right than happy. :-)
Cheers!
Rich

Post by Rheilly Phoull

Post by Bill Garber
: On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:51:21 -0500, "repatch"
: >Gee, that's great, but did you ever think about the possiblity
that not
: >everyone here is from the states,
: Really? I didn't know that ;-)
: >and not everyone here exactly AGREES with
: >what the states is doing??
: Really? I didn't know that, but do you think I care?
They don't agree that Hussein needed his arse
kicked??? I guess they live in a glass case and
have never been persecuted.
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[Jim Thompson]

On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 07:15:36 GMT, Rich Grise <***@nowhere.net>
wrote:

[snip]

Post by Rich Grise
But I wonder how many Americans will admit that the
antics of the US government make it rightly the butt of
a lot of bitching?

Antics? Please elaborate.

Post by Rich Grise
Certainly none of the blindered Dubya fans, that's for
sure. He can do no wrong, you know. I can't understand
why those nasty French don't like him. They must be
savages. Yeah, that's it.

Not savages, just massively crooked.

Post by Rich Grise
It's amazing the number of people who would rather be
right than happy. :-)
Cheers!
Rich

[snip]

I be happy as a clam ;-)

...Jim Thompson

[Philip A. Marshall]

On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 21:41:18 -0500, "Bill Garber"

Post by Bill Garber
: On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:51:21 -0500, "repatch"
: >Gee, that's great, but did you ever think about the possiblity
that not
: >everyone here is from the states,
: Really? I didn't know that ;-)
: >and not everyone here exactly AGREES with
: >what the states is doing??
: Really? I didn't know that, but do you think I care?
They don't agree that Hussein needed his arse
kicked??? I guess they live in a glass case and
have never been persecuted.

Now, I can't quite remember. How did Hussein get into power again?
Who funded Bin Ladin?

I think the world would be quite a lot better off without the US
playing Big Brother to us all.

[x***@suds.com]

On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 21:41:18 -0500, "Bill Garber"

Post by Bill Garber
: On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:51:21 -0500, "repatch"
: >Gee, that's great, but did you ever think about the possiblity
that not
: >everyone here is from the states,
: Really? I didn't know that ;-)
: >and not everyone here exactly AGREES with
: >what the states is doing??
: Really? I didn't know that, but do you think I care?
They don't agree that Hussein needed his arse
kicked??? I guess they live in a glass case and
have never been persecuted.

No one disagrees that persecution is a bad thing. The problem is U.S.
involvement: should the U.S. get involved with EVERY country that has
a persecuting despot? Do you as a taxpayer want to go that route?
Iraq alone is going to cost us a minimum of $87 billion, remember.

Furthermore, how can we justify getting involved with one country and
not another? Why is it ok to get involved with Iraq and not Rwanda
(which had horrific numbers and cases of genocide in recent years)?
More people died and suffered in Rwanda than in Iraq. The only
difference I see is that Iraq has oil, which Bush wants. And that
leads to a whole other discussion: our energy use in the U.S. Why
are we still so reliant on oil, a commodity controlled by many people
who are our enemies?

[Brian]

Post by Philip A. Marshall
On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 21:41:18 -0500, "Bill Garber"

Post by Bill Garber
: On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:51:21 -0500, "repatch"
: >Gee, that's great, but did you ever think about the possiblity
that not
: >everyone here is from the states,
: Really? I didn't know that ;-)
: >and not everyone here exactly AGREES with
: >what the states is doing??
: Really? I didn't know that, but do you think I care?
They don't agree that Hussein needed his arse
kicked??? I guess they live in a glass case and
have never been persecuted.

No one disagrees that persecution is a bad thing. The problem is U.S.
involvement: should the U.S. get involved with EVERY country that has
a persecuting despot? Do you as a taxpayer want to go that route?
Iraq alone is going to cost us a minimum of $87 billion, remember.
Furthermore, how can we justify getting involved with one country and
not another? Why is it ok to get involved with Iraq and not Rwanda
(which had horrific numbers and cases of genocide in recent years)?
More people died and suffered in Rwanda than in Iraq. The only
difference I see is that Iraq has oil, which Bush wants. And that
leads to a whole other discussion: our energy use in the U.S. Why
are we still so reliant on oil, a commodity controlled by many people
who are our enemies?

Sorry....but you're at best just another moron towing party line. Do you
have any idea how much oil was involed in you making an ass of yourself
in that post? Take a look around your home. You've chosen to surround
yourself with oil.

[Fred Bloggs]

Post by Philip A. Marshall
On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 21:41:18 -0500, "Bill Garber"

Post by Bill Garber
: On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:51:21 -0500, "repatch"
: >Gee, that's great, but did you ever think about the possiblity
that not
: >everyone here is from the states,
: Really? I didn't know that ;-)
: >and not everyone here exactly AGREES with
: >what the states is doing??
: Really? I didn't know that, but do you think I care?
They don't agree that Hussein needed his arse
kicked??? I guess they live in a glass case and
have never been persecuted.

No one disagrees that persecution is a bad thing. The problem is U.S.
involvement: should the U.S. get involved with EVERY country that has
a persecuting despot?

You're a brain dead imbecile who lacks the analytical capability to find
the exit from a wet paper bag. It is impossible for you to originate a
thought so you repeat the latest drivel originating from the most evil
industrial block extant- that of France, Germany, and Russia, and their
world-wide propaganda campaign to impede the downfall of Saddam for
purely financial reasons. This mindless nonsense argument about going
after one despot while leaving others intact is akin to a defense
attorney claiming the government has no right to prosecute his client as
long as similar crimes go unpunished. So let that thieving Tyco sc_mbag
Kozlowski go for the $600M theft because certainly there are numerous
instances of CEOs misappropriating funds that go unprosecuted.

[Philip A. Marshall]

Post by Fred Bloggs

Post by Philip A. Marshall
On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 21:41:18 -0500, "Bill Garber"

Post by Bill Garber
: On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:51:21 -0500, "repatch"
: >Gee, that's great, but did you ever think about the possiblity
that not
: >everyone here is from the states,
: Really? I didn't know that ;-)
: >and not everyone here exactly AGREES with
: >what the states is doing??
: Really? I didn't know that, but do you think I care?
They don't agree that Hussein needed his arse
kicked??? I guess they live in a glass case and
have never been persecuted.

No one disagrees that persecution is a bad thing. The problem is U.S.
involvement: should the U.S. get involved with EVERY country that has
a persecuting despot?

You're a brain dead imbecile who lacks the analytical capability to find
the exit from a wet paper bag. It is impossible for you to originate a
thought so you repeat the latest drivel originating from the most evil
industrial block extant- that of France, Germany, and Russia, and their
world-wide propaganda campaign to impede the downfall of Saddam for
purely financial reasons. This mindless nonsense argument about going
after one despot while leaving others intact is akin to a defense
attorney claiming the government has no right to prosecute his client as
long as similar crimes go unpunished. So let that thieving Tyco sc_mbag
Kozlowski go for the $600M theft because certainly there are numerous
instances of CEOs misappropriating funds that go unprosecuted.

You forgot to bad-mouth canada.

[repatch]

Post by Jim Thompson

Post by repatch
Gee, that's great, but did you ever think about the possiblity that not
everyone here is from the states,

Really? I didn't know that ;-)

Post by repatch
and not everyone here exactly AGREES with
what the states is doing??

Really? I didn't know that, but do you think I care?

Hehe, I guess that, and that sir, is the reason much of the world thinks
of the States as they do. TTYL

[Baphomet]

Post by repatch

Post by Jim Thompson

Post by repatch
Gee, that's great, but did you ever think about the possiblity that not
everyone here is from the states,

Really? I didn't know that ;-)

Post by repatch
and not everyone here exactly AGREES with
what the states is doing??

Really? I didn't know that, but do you think I care?

Hehe, I guess that, and that sir, is the reason much of the world thinks
of the States as they do. TTYL

Simple jealousy would probably take you further in terms of finding an
explanation.

[SioL]

Post by Jim Thompson
Did you know that you can donate some of your frequent flyer miles to
benefit our troops getting to their homes from Iraq?
...Jim Thompson

Do you think they accept frequent flyer miles from extreme leftists? ;)

SioL

[Jim Thompson]

Post by SioL

Post by Jim Thompson
Did you know that you can donate some of your frequent flyer miles to
benefit our troops getting to their homes from Iraq?
...Jim Thompson

Do you think they accept frequent flyer miles from extreme leftists? ;)
SioL

Absolutely !-)

...Jim Thompson

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that Jim Thompson
<***@invalid.invalid> wrote (in <7k01uvs6n79fa551vc5ac60h7fqrsk7ca6@
4ax.com>) about 'Donate Frequent Flyer Miles to Our Troops', on Wed, 17

Post by Jim Thompson
Absolutely !-)

Unless, of course, they really are from frequent flyers on Aeroflot!
(;-)

[Southern]

Post by repatch
Gee, that's great, but did you ever think about the possiblity that not
everyone here is from the states, and not everyone here exactly AGREES with
what the states is doing??

Helping get soldiers home to see their families is good thing, and does not
reflect taking sides in the conflict or otherwise agreeing with the
conflict.

[repatch]

Post by Southern

Post by repatch
Gee, that's great, but did you ever think about the possiblity that not
everyone here is from the states, and not everyone here exactly AGREES

with

Post by repatch
what the states is doing??

Helping get soldiers home to see their families is good thing, and does not
reflect taking sides in the conflict or otherwise agreeing with the
conflict.

Hmm, ok, consider this: what about Sadam's former soldiers? Do they
deserve the same?

[Southern]

Post by repatch

Post by Southern

Post by repatch
Gee, that's great, but did you ever think about the possiblity that not
everyone here is from the states, and not everyone here exactly AGREES

with

Post by repatch
what the states is doing??

Helping get soldiers home to see their families is good thing, and does

not

Post by Southern
reflect taking sides in the conflict or otherwise agreeing with the
conflict.

Hmm, ok, consider this: what about Sadam's former soldiers? Do they
deserve the same?

There are no commercial airlines flying in/out of Iraq so the issue is moot.
Besides, the overwhelming majority of them went home before the conflict
began in earnest.

[repatch]

Post by Southern

Post by repatch

Post by Southern

Post by repatch
Gee, that's great, but did you ever think about the possiblity that

not

Post by repatch

Post by Southern

Post by repatch
everyone here is from the states, and not everyone here exactly AGREES

with

Post by repatch
what the states is doing??

Helping get soldiers home to see their families is good thing, and does

not

Post by Southern
reflect taking sides in the conflict or otherwise agreeing with the
conflict.

Hmm, ok, consider this: what about Sadam's former soldiers? Do they
deserve the same?

There are no commercial airlines flying in/out of Iraq so the issue is moot.
Besides, the overwhelming majority of them went home before the conflict
began in earnest.

You didn't answer my question.

[Southern]

Post by repatch

Post by Southern

Post by repatch

Post by Southern

Post by repatch
Gee, that's great, but did you ever think about the possiblity that

not

Post by repatch

Post by Southern

Post by repatch
everyone here is from the states, and not everyone here exactly

AGREES

Post by Southern

Post by repatch

Post by Southern
with

Post by repatch
what the states is doing??

Helping get soldiers home to see their families is good thing, and

does

Post by Southern

Post by repatch
not

Post by Southern
reflect taking sides in the conflict or otherwise agreeing with the
conflict.

Hmm, ok, consider this: what about Sadam's former soldiers? Do they
deserve the same?

There are no commercial airlines flying in/out of Iraq so the issue is

moot.

Post by Southern
Besides, the overwhelming majority of them went home before the conflict
began in earnest.

You didn't answer my question.

I did when I pointed out that the issue is moot.

[repatch]

Post by Southern

Post by repatch

Post by Southern
There are no commercial airlines flying in/out of Iraq so the issue is

moot.

Post by Southern
Besides, the overwhelming majority of them went home before the conflict
began in earnest.

You didn't answer my question.

I did when I pointed out that the issue is moot.

Fine, let me restate the question in a way that you can't weasel out of
it as easily: do Saddam's former soldiers deserve the same benefits as US
soldiers? After all, they were just following orders to?

[Southern]

Post by Southern

Post by Southern

Post by repatch

Post by Southern
There are no commercial airlines flying in/out of Iraq so the issue is

moot.

Post by Southern
Besides, the overwhelming majority of them went home before the

conflict

Post by Southern

Post by repatch

Post by Southern
began in earnest.

You didn't answer my question.

I did when I pointed out that the issue is moot.

Fine, let me restate the question in a way that you can't weasel out of

Pointing out an issue is moot or that the question is nonsensical is not
weaseling. If you had asked a rationale question, it could be answered.

Post by Southern
do Saddam's former soldiers deserve the same benefits as US soldiers?

Of course not. The pay and benefits to US soldiers are codified in US laws,
so Iraqi soldiers would not get them. Instead they should receive the pay
and benefits allocated to them under Iraqi law. All POWs regardless of
nationality should receive at a minimum the treatment required by the Geneva
convention. Something the former regime in Iraq never did. It should also
be noted that the US military often takes better care of enemy POWs than the
enemy forces do.

If you are really asking about getting free donated transportation to their
homes from their duty stations organized my their countrymen, the answer is
of course. The Iraqis are free to organize it for thier troops. More over,
during the Hajj, providing hospitality and shelter to pilgrims and travelers
is a duty of an observant Muslim.

Post by Southern
After all, they were just following orders to?

Your inappropriate use of the Nuremburg defense is noted but irrelevant.
Its also specifically disallowed by the various international courts and the
UCMJ for certain kinds of crimes. The regime change in Iraq will also allow
a final answer as to the whereabouts of LCDR Speicher and the punishment of
those who raped the US female POWs from Desert Storm.

[Michael A. Terrell]

Post by repatch
Gee, that's great, but did you ever think about the possiblity that not
everyone here is from the states, and not everyone here exactly AGREES with
what the states is doing??

Do you think we really care what YOU think? Have you ever served in
the military, and couldn't afford a round trip ticket to visit your
family? I have been in that position. Almost $2,000 to fly from
Fairbanks AK to Cincinnati and back, and that was in the '70s. if you
don't like what is going on in Iraq, fly over and help the snipers dig
holes to hide in. If you're lucky, you might get it deep enough for your
grave before they blow your head off.

[A Soberon]

Post by Michael A. Terrell
Do you think we really care what YOU think? Have you ever served in
the military, and couldn't afford a round trip ticket to visit your
family? I have been in that position. Almost $2,000 to fly from
Fairbanks AK to Cincinnati and back, and that was in the '70s. if you
don't like what is going on in Iraq, fly over and help the snipers dig
holes to hide in. If you're lucky, you might get it deep enough for your
grave before they blow your head off.

This is NOT the NG to discuss these issues, although miki, or whatever his
alias is now, will bark back that any NG is free to discuss anything.

Antonio

[Bill Garber]

"A Soberon" <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:***@news.teranews.com...
: > Do you think we really care what YOU think? Have you ever
served in
: > the military, and couldn't afford a round trip ticket to
visit your
: > family? I have been in that position. Almost $2,000 to fly
from
: > Fairbanks AK to Cincinnati and back, and that was in the
'70s. if you
: > don't like what is going on in Iraq, fly over and help the
snipers dig
: > holes to hide in. If you're lucky, you might get it deep
enough for your
: > grave before they blow your head off.
:
: This is NOT the NG to discuss these issues, although miki, or
whatever his
: alias is now, will bark back that any NG is free to discuss
anything.
:
: Antonio

And which NG would that be? You may not have noticed
that this particular thread is multiply cross-posted.

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Post by Bill Garber
And which NG would that be? You may not have noticed
that this particular thread is multiply cross-posted.

Yes I did notice. But none of those NG are intended for this kind of
discussion.

Antonio

[Bill Garber]

"A Soberon" <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:***@news.teranews.com...
: > And which NG would that be? You may not have noticed
: > that this particular thread is multiply cross-posted.
:
: Yes I did notice. But none of those NG are intended for this
kind of
: discussion.
:
: Antonio

I guess you don't discuss your home life with
your fellow co-workers. what has that to do
with your job, right?

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Post by Bill Garber
I guess you don't discuss your home life with
your fellow co-workers. what has that to do
with your job, right?

I guess you go to the movies and start talking on the phone. That's what
free speech is for, isn't it?

Antonio

[Bill Garber]

"A Soberon" <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:***@news.teranews.com...
: > I guess you don't discuss your home life with
: > your fellow co-workers. what has that to do
: > with your job, right?
:
: I guess you go to the movies and start talking on the phone.
That's what
: free speech is for, isn't it?
:
: Antonio

You've gone off of your own topic. The discussion was
concerning content in an unrelated arena. What you are
saying now concerns good/bad manners.

Way off base on the FREE SPEECH issue. That gives us
the right to have an opinion and to vocalize it without
worry of persecution as long as we don't intend to act
on it in a way that would violate any other people rights
or the laws of the land. FREE SPEECH does not give us the
right to talk like a moron however, or be vulgar or insulting
towards our fellow citizens.

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[Jim Thompson]

On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 13:53:34 -0500, "Bill Garber"
<***@comcast.net> wrote:

[snip]

Post by Bill Garber
FREE SPEECH does not give us the
right to talk like a moron however, or be vulgar or insulting
towards our fellow citizens.

[snip]

Sure it does, just as long as it doesn't fall into the realm of
libel/slander.

And the courts have generally applied rather tight rules as to what
actually constitutes such infractions.

...Jim Thompson

[Brooklyn NYC]

Post by Bill Garber
: > I guess you don't discuss your home life with
: > your fellow co-workers. what has that to do
: > with your job, right?
: I guess you go to the movies and start talking on the phone.
That's what
: free speech is for, isn't it?
: Antonio
You've gone off of your own topic. The discussion was
concerning content in an unrelated arena. What you are
saying now concerns good/bad manners.
Way off base on the FREE SPEECH issue. That gives us
the right to have an opinion and to vocalize it without
worry of persecution as long as we don't intend to act
on it in a way that would violate any other people rights
or the laws of the land. FREE SPEECH does not give us the
right to talk like a moron however, or be vulgar or insulting
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Post by Bill Garber
right to talk like a moron however, or be vulgar or insulting
towards our fellow citizens.

Unfortunately I am finding way too much of that in Nags lately. If you have
an opinion that differs from someone else's than they re: with nothing but
hate and discontent. I have unsubscribed from many Nags this week because of
this. And, of course, none of them were political NGs.

Why are these people posting out of the political groups? That is where this
shit belongs.

I don't even bother replying to posts unrelated to the NG topic but for this
one I made an exception and I am not going to re: any of them again.

We need to show each other at least a little friggin' respect in these posts
whether you agree or not.

[A Soberon]

Post by Brooklyn NYC
We need to show each other at least a little friggin' respect in these posts
whether you agree or not.

AMEN !!

Merry Xmas and Happy New Year !!

Antonio

[Bill Garber]

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: > We need to show each other at least a little friggin' respect
in these
: posts
: > whether you agree or not.
:
:
: AMEN !!
:
: Merry Xmas and Happy New Year !!
:
: Antonio

Mommy!. They're posting stuff I don't wanna
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Post by Bill Garber
Mommy!. They're posting stuff I don't wanna
hear again.

Do you hear posts? Some amazing piece of software you must have!

Antonio

ps: By the way ... PLONK (I don't want to READ you again)

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: >
:
: <FREE SPEECH does not give us the
: > right to talk like a moron however, or be vulgar or insulting
: > towards our fellow citizens.
:
: Unfortunately I am finding way too much of that in Nags lately.
If you have
: an opinion that differs from someone else's than they re: with
nothing but
: hate and discontent. I have unsubscribed from many Nags this
week because of
: this. And, of course, none of them were political NGs.
:
: Why are these people posting out of the political groups? That
is where this
: shit belongs.

I read no TOS concerning the content to be posted,
did you? Where is that? I'll abide by whatever rules
are placed on it.

: I don't even bother replying to posts unrelated to the NG topic
but for this
: one I made an exception and I am not going to re: any of them
again.

I get the feeling you make this exception quite often.

: We need to show each other at least a little friggin' respect
in these posts
: whether you agree or not.

I respect everyone's opinion as I expect everyone to respect
my own. Thank you.

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[Richard Henry]

Post by A Soberon

Post by Michael A. Terrell
Do you think we really care what YOU think? Have you ever served in
the military, and couldn't afford a round trip ticket to visit your
family? I have been in that position. Almost $2,000 to fly from
Fairbanks AK to Cincinnati and back, and that was in the '70s. if you
don't like what is going on in Iraq, fly over and help the snipers dig
holes to hide in. If you're lucky, you might get it deep enough for your
grave before they blow your head off.

This is NOT the NG to discuss these issues, although miki, or whatever his
alias is now, will bark back that any NG is free to discuss anything.

That's because everyone is free not to read any posting. Or at least not
respond.

[Michael A. Terrell]

Post by A Soberon

Post by Michael A. Terrell
Do you think we really care what YOU think? Have you ever served in
the military, and couldn't afford a round trip ticket to visit your
family? I have been in that position. Almost $2,000 to fly from
Fairbanks AK to Cincinnati and back, and that was in the '70s. if you
don't like what is going on in Iraq, fly over and help the snipers dig
holes to hide in. If you're lucky, you might get it deep enough for your
grave before they blow your head off.

This is NOT the NG to discuss these issues, although miki, or whatever his
alias is now, will bark back that any NG is free to discuss anything.
Antonio

Who are you talking about? I have posted on
news:alt.binaries.schematics.electronic with my name for over four
years. I have no idea what, or who, you are whining about.

[A Soberon]

Post by Michael A. Terrell
Who are you talking about? I have posted on
news:alt.binaries.schematics.electronic with my name for over four
years. I have no idea what, or who, you are whining about.
--
8 days!
Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

Not you Michael. The problem is this thread is in many NG's. I was refering
to a certain miki who usually posts in comp.graphics.apps.paint-shop-pro

Anyway, this thread has evolved into something none of the NG involved has
anything to do with.

ANtonio

[repatch]

Post by Michael A. Terrell

Post by repatch
Gee, that's great, but did you ever think about the possiblity that not
everyone here is from the states, and not everyone here exactly AGREES with
what the states is doing??

Do you think we really care what YOU think? Have you ever served in
the military, and couldn't afford a round trip ticket to visit your
family? I have been in that position. Almost $2,000 to fly from
Fairbanks AK to Cincinnati and back, and that was in the '70s. if you
don't like what is going on in Iraq, fly over and help the snipers dig
holes to hide in. If you're lucky, you might get it deep enough for your
grave before they blow your head off.

HEHEHE, my my, it's amazing how quickly irrational behaviour shows up in
the face of some facts.

[repatch]

Post by repatch

Post by Michael A. Terrell

Post by repatch
Gee, that's great, but did you ever think about the possiblity that not
everyone here is from the states, and not everyone here exactly

AGREES

Post by repatch
with

Post by Michael A. Terrell

Post by repatch
what the states is doing??

Do you think we really care what YOU think? Have you ever served in
the military, and couldn't afford a round trip ticket to visit your
family? I have been in that position. Almost $2,000 to fly from
Fairbanks AK to Cincinnati and back, and that was in the '70s. if you
don't like what is going on in Iraq, fly over and help the snipers dig
holes to hide in. If you're lucky, you might get it deep enough for your
grave before they blow your head off.

HEHEHE, my my, it's amazing how quickly irrational behaviour shows up in
the face of some facts.

Irrational is allowing a moron like you on Usenet. The fact you post
from Canada doesn't excuse your stupidity, or your big mouth.

Hehe, that's right, resort to name calling when you have nothing else to
base your argument on. Bravo sir.

[Rich Grise]

Well, before you sign up, do they give you any kind of indication
what you might be in for? Anybody who signs up for a 2-year hitch
and then whines and snivels because they can't fly back to Mommy's
lap on a moments notice doesn't deserve to have been sent on a road
trip at taxpayer expense in the first place.

Peace on Drugs!
Rich

Post by Michael A. Terrell

Post by repatch
Gee, that's great, but did you ever think about the possiblity that not
everyone here is from the states, and not everyone here exactly AGREES with
what the states is doing??

Do you think we really care what YOU think? Have you ever served in
the military, and couldn't afford a round trip ticket to visit your
family? I have been in that position. Almost $2,000 to fly from
Fairbanks AK to Cincinnati and back, and that was in the '70s. if you
don't like what is going on in Iraq, fly over and help the snipers dig
holes to hide in. If you're lucky, you might get it deep enough for your
grave before they blow your head off.
--
9 days!
Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

[Anthony Fremont]

Post by Rich Grise
Well, before you sign up, do they give you any kind of indication
what you might be in for? Anybody who signs up for a 2-year hitch
and then whines and snivels because they can't fly back to Mommy's
lap on a moments notice doesn't deserve to have been sent on a road
trip at taxpayer expense in the first place.

He was drafted.

[Fred Bloggs]

Post by Anthony Fremont

Post by Rich Grise
Well, before you sign up, do they give you any kind of indication
what you might be in for? Anybody who signs up for a 2-year hitch
and then whines and snivels because they can't fly back to Mommy's
lap on a moments notice doesn't deserve to have been sent on a road
trip at taxpayer expense in the first place.

He was drafted.

Oh? And what war was occurring in Alaska so that we were so desperate
for R&R?

[Michael A. Terrell]

Post by Fred Bloggs

Post by Anthony Fremont

Post by Rich Grise
Well, before you sign up, do they give you any kind of indication
what you might be in for? Anybody who signs up for a 2-year hitch
and then whines and snivels because they can't fly back to Mommy's
lap on a moments notice doesn't deserve to have been sent on a road
trip at taxpayer expense in the first place.

He was drafted.

Oh? And what war was occurring in Alaska so that we were so desperate
for R&R?

The war was with the severe weather. I served at the US Army cold
weather test site.

I was stating that I knew how the soldiers fell to be isolated due to
the inability to use their available leave time. Would you spend over
nine months pay for a week away form severe duty? Have you ever worked
where you can freeze to death in less than five minutes? How about zero
humidity that dried out your skin and left you with dry cracked skin,
and bloody sores? You had to use half a bottle of baby oil after every
shower to reduce the drying effects. Thirty seconds after it was
slathered on, your dry skin had adsorbed every bit of it.

Have you ever had to walk over mile at -40°F, then spend the next
hour and a half in a cold shower to slowly recover lost body heat? How
about becoming so heat intolerant that you sweat heavily in a 60°F room
wearing nothing but a pair of shorts and a tee shirt? The place was so
cold it stopped snowing in the winter, because there wasn't enough
moisture in the cold air to precipitate. They had to use a road grader
to level out the pack ice, because there was no place to plow the six
feet or more worth of snow. It was a dangerous place to live and work.
All this, even though you had specially designed clothing and boots to
survive the cold weather.

BTW, The base severed as the transfer point for US made airplanes in
the Lend-Lease program during WWII. CIvilian pilots flew the newly built
planes the Ladd Air force base, and Russian pilots flew them across the
bering straights to Russia. After WWII the base was closed, then
converted to the cold weather test site, and renamed Ft. Greely. It was
closed again a few years ago, and is now being converted to a new
missile base.

[Chuck Harris]

-40F just means wintertime to folks in Rhinelander, Wisconsin USA.
They carry on just fine.

-Chuck

Post by Michael A. Terrell
The war was with the severe weather. I served at the US Army cold
weather test site.
I was stating that I knew how the soldiers fell to be isolated due to
the inability to use their available leave time. Would you spend over
nine months pay for a week away form severe duty? Have you ever worked
where you can freeze to death in less than five minutes? How about zero
humidity that dried out your skin and left you with dry cracked skin,
and bloody sores? You had to use half a bottle of baby oil after every
shower to reduce the drying effects. Thirty seconds after it was
slathered on, your dry skin had adsorbed every bit of it.
Have you ever had to walk over mile at -40°F, then spend the next
hour and a half in a cold shower to slowly recover lost body heat? How
about becoming so heat intolerant that you sweat heavily in a 60°F room
wearing nothing but a pair of shorts and a tee shirt? The place was so
cold it stopped snowing in the winter, because there wasn't enough
moisture in the cold air to precipitate. They had to use a road grader
to level out the pack ice, because there was no place to plow the six
feet or more worth of snow. It was a dangerous place to live and work.
All this, even though you had specially designed clothing and boots to
survive the cold weather.
BTW, The base severed as the transfer point for US made airplanes in
the Lend-Lease program during WWII. CIvilian pilots flew the newly built
planes the Ladd Air force base, and Russian pilots flew them across the
bering straights to Russia. After WWII the base was closed, then
converted to the cold weather test site, and renamed Ft. Greely. It was
closed again a few years ago, and is now being converted to a new
missile base.

[Tom Quackenbush]

Post by Chuck Harris
-40F just means wintertime to folks in Rhinelander, Wisconsin USA.
They carry on just fine.

From:
http://www.duluthchamber.com/comguide.htm

Average Maximum Temperature: January 16.2F
Average Minimum Temperature: January -2.1F

Does Rhinelander get significantly colder than Duluth?

R,
Tom, Q.

[Chuck Harris]

My dad says yes! Note that those are
the averages. Look for the max's and mins.

-Chuck

Post by Tom Quackenbush

Post by Chuck Harris
-40F just means wintertime to folks in Rhinelander, Wisconsin USA.
They carry on just fine.

http://www.duluthchamber.com/comguide.htm
Average Maximum Temperature: January 16.2F
Average Minimum Temperature: January -2.1F
Does Rhinelander get significantly colder than Duluth?
R,
Tom, Q.

[Michael A. Terrell]

Post by Chuck Harris
-40F just means wintertime to folks in Rhinelander, Wisconsin USA.
They carry on just fine.
-Chuck

Did you sleep outside in that weather? Take survival training? Also,
-40 was the warmest it was during the winter. If you take the time to
look at a map of Alaska and find Delta Junction (which was right at the
gates of Ft Greely) you will see that is is at the bottom of mountain
ranges where they very cold, dry air rolled down and kept the place very
cold. the site was picked because of the severe weather. It was the
coldest spot available without going to Antarctica.

Your skin would be gray, and the muscles so stiff they felt solid. I
worked at the radio and TV station on the old section of the base. On
cold days, the control room was barely 40 degrees, and you had to work
in arctic rated clothing. We were not allowed to report the temperature
when it dropped below -40. The military felt it would cause
psychological damage to tell everyone how cold it really was. All we
could do was remind them to be prepared. You were not allowed on the
highway without spare tires, a full set of headlights, and 20 extra
gallons of gas in case you ended up snow bound.

Tell, me, can you toss a cup of steaming hot coffee in the air in
Rhinelander and have all the coffee evaporate before the cup hits the
ground?

[Steve Andrew]

Post by Michael A. Terrell

Post by Chuck Harris
-40F just means wintertime to folks in Rhinelander, Wisconsin USA.
They carry on just fine.
-Chuck

Did you sleep outside in that weather? Take survival training?
Also,
-40 was the warmest it was during the winter. If you take the time to
look at a map of Alaska and find Delta Junction (which was right at
the gates of Ft Greely) you will see that is is at the bottom of
mountain ranges where they very cold, dry air rolled down and kept
the place very cold. the site was picked because of the severe
weather. It was the coldest spot available without going to
Antarctica.
Your skin would be gray, and the muscles so stiff they felt solid.
I worked at the radio and TV station on the old section of the base.
On cold days, the control room was barely 40 degrees, and you had to
work in arctic rated clothing. We were not allowed to report the
temperature when it dropped below -40. The military felt it would
cause psychological damage to tell everyone how cold it really was.
All we could do was remind them to be prepared. You were not allowed
on the highway without spare tires, a full set of headlights, and 20
extra gallons of gas in case you ended up snow bound.
Tell, me, can you toss a cup of steaming hot coffee in the air in
Rhinelander and have all the coffee evaporate before the cup hits the
ground?

Try living in Scandinavia Michael, regular temperatures down to -40C
(Around -40F as it happens)

BTW - You must have really screwed up, or pissed somebody off to get a
posting like that - What happened :-)

[Michael A. Terrell]

Post by Steve Andrew

Post by Michael A. Terrell

Post by Chuck Harris
-40F just means wintertime to folks in Rhinelander, Wisconsin USA.
They carry on just fine.
-Chuck

Did you sleep outside in that weather? Take survival training?
Also,
-40 was the warmest it was during the winter. If you take the time to
look at a map of Alaska and find Delta Junction (which was right at
the gates of Ft Greely) you will see that is is at the bottom of
mountain ranges where they very cold, dry air rolled down and kept
the place very cold. the site was picked because of the severe
weather. It was the coldest spot available without going to
Antarctica.
Your skin would be gray, and the muscles so stiff they felt solid.
I worked at the radio and TV station on the old section of the base.
On cold days, the control room was barely 40 degrees, and you had to
work in arctic rated clothing. We were not allowed to report the
temperature when it dropped below -40. The military felt it would
cause psychological damage to tell everyone how cold it really was.
All we could do was remind them to be prepared. You were not allowed
on the highway without spare tires, a full set of headlights, and 20
extra gallons of gas in case you ended up snow bound.
Tell, me, can you toss a cup of steaming hot coffee in the air in
Rhinelander and have all the coffee evaporate before the cup hits the
ground?

Try living in Scandinavia Michael, regular temperatures down to -40C
(Around -40F as it happens)
BTW - You must have really screwed up, or pissed somebody off to get a
posting like that - What happened :-)

I turned down a civil service job at Ft Rucker, Alabama. One of the
civilians was retiring, and I was offered his job. That left three other
civilians. Two nice guys, but I couldn't stand the third. He always
managed to slip away and leave the work for everyone else. He was too
good to wear work clothes, so he would arrive at work in a suit, knowing
he was supposed to crawl under a building to pull wire that day. I spent
most of a year doing his work while he took the credit, and I wasn't
going to keep it up. If it wasn't for him, I could have taken an early
retirement in 1997. I knew that his constant bullshit would have lead to
a fight, sooner or later, so i left to finish my tour of duty, then went
home to start a business.

Believe it or not, but the other open slot was worse. It was a couple
miles for the front line in Vietnam. The station there was over run by
the enemy, and a lot of the staff was killed. They sent parts of the
Gates VHF TV transmitter to us in Alaska for salvage, since it was the
same model.

[Chuck Harris]

Hi Michael,

Nope, I can't do any of those things, I'm a southern boy. But
my dad lived there his entire childhood, and they walked to school,
drove their cars, fed their livestock, did their jobs, and lived
their lives on -40F days. Me personally, I can't handle anything
colder than -40C ;-)

-Chuck

Post by Michael A. Terrell

Post by Chuck Harris
-40F just means wintertime to folks in Rhinelander, Wisconsin USA.
They carry on just fine.
-Chuck

Did you sleep outside in that weather? Take survival training? Also,
-40 was the warmest it was during the winter. If you take the time to
look at a map of Alaska and find Delta Junction (which was right at the
gates of Ft Greely) you will see that is is at the bottom of mountain
ranges where they very cold, dry air rolled down and kept the place very
cold. the site was picked because of the severe weather. It was the
coldest spot available without going to Antarctica.
Your skin would be gray, and the muscles so stiff they felt solid. I
worked at the radio and TV station on the old section of the base. On
cold days, the control room was barely 40 degrees, and you had to work
in arctic rated clothing. We were not allowed to report the temperature
when it dropped below -40. The military felt it would cause
psychological damage to tell everyone how cold it really was. All we
could do was remind them to be prepared. You were not allowed on the
highway without spare tires, a full set of headlights, and 20 extra
gallons of gas in case you ended up snow bound.
Tell, me, can you toss a cup of steaming hot coffee in the air in
Rhinelander and have all the coffee evaporate before the cup hits the
ground?

[Robert L. Bass]

Post by Michael A. Terrell
I was stating that I knew how the soldiers fell to be isolated due to
the inability to use their available leave time. Would you spend over
nine months pay for a week away form severe duty? Have you ever worked
where you can freeze to death in less than five minutes? How about zero
humidity that dried out your skin and left you with dry cracked skin,
and bloody sores? You had to use half a bottle of baby oil after every
shower to reduce the drying effects. Thirty seconds after it was
slathered on, your dry skin had adsorbed every bit of it.

"As he turned to go on, he spat speculatively. There was a sharp, explosive
crackle that startled him. He spat again. And again, in the air, before it
could fall to the snow, the spittle crackled. He knew that at fifty below
spittle crackled on the snow, but this spittle had crackled in the air.
Undoubtedly it was colder than fifty below -- how much colder he did not
know. But the temperature did not matter."
-- Jack London: "To Build a Fire"

Post by Michael A. Terrell
Have you ever had to walk over mile at -40°F...

Yep. I've camped out in -42ºF temperature. I've also gone skiing in -32ºF
with 35 mph winds (wind chill about -100ºF). If you have the right gear and
know how to stay warm it's not all that bad. Was your experience a long
time ago; before modern cold weather gear existed?

[Michael A. Terrell]

Post by Robert L. Bass

Post by Michael A. Terrell
I was stating that I knew how the soldiers fell to be isolated due to
the inability to use their available leave time. Would you spend over
nine months pay for a week away form severe duty? Have you ever worked
where you can freeze to death in less than five minutes? How about zero
humidity that dried out your skin and left you with dry cracked skin,
and bloody sores? You had to use half a bottle of baby oil after every
shower to reduce the drying effects. Thirty seconds after it was
slathered on, your dry skin had adsorbed every bit of it.

"As he turned to go on, he spat speculatively. There was a sharp, explosive
crackle that startled him. He spat again. And again, in the air, before it
could fall to the snow, the spittle crackled. He knew that at fifty below
spittle crackled on the snow, but this spittle had crackled in the air.
Undoubtedly it was colder than fifty below -- how much colder he did not
know. But the temperature did not matter."
-- Jack London: "To Build a Fire"

Post by Michael A. Terrell
Have you ever had to walk over mile at -40°F...

Yep. I've camped out in -42ºF temperature. I've also gone skiing in -32ºF
with 35 mph winds (wind chill about -100ºF). If you have the right gear and
know how to stay warm it's not all that bad. Was your experience a long
time ago; before modern cold weather gear existed?

1973/1974. The cold weather gear was korean war vintage. the cold
weather parkas had real wolves fur around the hood, with a flexible wire
so you could squeeze it almost shut so only your eyes and nose were
exposed to the cold, dry air. The arctic boots had a air valve to
pressurize them, and the pair weighed about 20 pounds. You had to wear
four layers of clothes, and they were so thick that your movements were
very limited.

BTW, do you know how to cut down a frozen tree for firewood? ;-)

[Spehro Pefhany]

On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 00:25:15 GMT, the renowned "Michael A. Terrell"

Post by Michael A. Terrell
1973/1974. The cold weather gear was korean war vintage. the cold
weather parkas had real wolves fur around the hood, with a flexible wire
so you could squeeze it almost shut so only your eyes and nose were
exposed to the cold, dry air. The arctic boots had a air valve to
pressurize them, and the pair weighed about 20 pounds. You had to wear
four layers of clothes, and they were so thick that your movements were
very limited.
BTW, do you know how to cut down a frozen tree for firewood? ;-)

There's no problem that cannot be solved with a sufficient quantity of
explosives...

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

[Robert L. Bass]

Post by Michael A. Terrell
1973/1974. The cold weather gear was korean war
vintage. the cold weather parkas had real wolves fur
around the hood, with a flexible wire so you could
squeeze it almost shut so only your eyes and nose
were exposed to the cold, dry air. The arctic boots
had a air valve to pressurize them, and the pair
weighed about 20 pounds. You had to wear four layers
of clothes, and they were so thick that your movements
were very limited.

That's awful! There was far better arctic gear available in the civilian
sector by then. I had down filled bib warmups, a down vest and parka jacket
plus down mitts. The hood of my parka, like that of my mummy bag, had a
drawstring that left only my eyes and nose exposed. I wore glasses and a
long beard and mustache in those days. the only places that got frostbitten
were the tip of my nose and a little bit on my lips. I camped outdoors with
a ground pad, mummy bag and long johns on. The temperature dropped to -42ºF
that night and a number of people died in a nearby town. I was up in the
Rocky Mountains too far to hike from a friend's cabin. That's about the
only time I was actually afraid of the weather.

It sounds as though someone up the line in your unit had his military head
anatomically obscured from view. :^)

Post by Michael A. Terrell
BTW, do you know how to cut down a frozen
tree for firewood? ;-)

I never tried (other than with a chainsaw) but I've split plenty of frozen
wood with an axe. It's actually easier splitting some woods when it's
really cold.

[Michael A. Terrell]

Post by Robert L. Bass

Post by Michael A. Terrell
1973/1974. The cold weather gear was korean war
vintage. the cold weather parkas had real wolves fur
around the hood, with a flexible wire so you could
squeeze it almost shut so only your eyes and nose
were exposed to the cold, dry air. The arctic boots
had a air valve to pressurize them, and the pair
weighed about 20 pounds. You had to wear four layers
of clothes, and they were so thick that your movements
were very limited.

That's awful! There was far better arctic gear available in the civilian
sector by then. I had down filled bib warmups, a down vest and parka jacket
plus down mitts. The hood of my parka, like that of my mummy bag, had a
drawstring that left only my eyes and nose exposed. I wore glasses and a
long beard and mustache in those days. the only places that got frostbitten
were the tip of my nose and a little bit on my lips. I camped outdoors with
a ground pad, mummy bag and long johns on. The temperature dropped to -42ºF
that night and a number of people died in a nearby town. I was up in the
Rocky Mountains too far to hike from a friend's cabin. That's about the
only time I was actually afraid of the weather.
It sounds as though someone up the line in your unit had his military head
anatomically obscured from view. :^)

Post by Michael A. Terrell
BTW, do you know how to cut down a frozen
tree for firewood? ;-)

I never tried (other than with a chainsaw) but I've split plenty of frozen
wood with an axe. It's actually easier splitting some woods when it's
really cold.

You didn't need an ax, or a chain saw. You picked a pine tree about 3
inches in diameter, turned your back to it and kicked as hard as you
could. It would snap off a few inches above the ground. then you threw
the whole tree into the fire. while someone else harvested another tree.
You could have a roaring fire, and not feel the heat ten feet away. It
only took about ten minutes for a roaring fire to burn itself out, so
you had to feed it a lot of wood to keep warm. Also, we only had an
arctic rated sleeping bag, a tent half, a folding shovel, and c-rations
that were older than I was. You draped the tent half over a branch,
covered the ends and back opening with snow, and hoped for a short
night. You had to take off the arctic boots and put them in the sleeping
bag between your legs so they wouldn't cause frostbite the next day.

[Robert L. Bass]

Post by Michael A. Terrell
You didn't need an ax, or a chain saw. You picked
a pine tree about 3 inches in diameter, turned your
back to it and kicked as hard as you could. It would
snap off a few inches above the ground. then you threw
the whole tree into the fire...

OK, that's no surprise. Pine gets pretty brittle even at +10ºF.

Post by Michael A. Terrell
while someone else harvested another tree. You could
have a roaring fire, and not feel the heat ten feet away.
It only took about ten minutes for a roaring fire to burn
itself out, so you had to feed it a lot of wood to keep
warm.

Hmm. Why would fire consume fuel faster at a lower ambient temperature?

Post by Michael A. Terrell
Also, we only had an arctic rated sleeping bag, a tent
half, a folding shovel, and c-rations that were older
than I was.

That sounds about right for the military. :^)

Post by Michael A. Terrell
You draped the tent half over a branch, covered the
ends and back opening with snow, and hoped for a
short night. You had to take off the arctic boots and
put them in the sleeping bag between your legs so
they wouldn't cause frostbite the next day.

I had to do the same thing with my hiking boots. Otherwise the moisture in
them from sweat would freeze solid. One trick I learned about extreme cold
is to keep your extremities warm. If your hands, feet and head are warm the
rest of you will be fine.

[Michael A. Terrell]

Post by Rich Grise
Well, before you sign up, do they give you any kind of indication
what you might be in for? Anybody who signs up for a 2-year hitch
and then whines and snivels because they can't fly back to Mommy's
lap on a moments notice doesn't deserve to have been sent on a road
trip at taxpayer expense in the first place.
Peace on Drugs!
Rich

Crawl in a corner and die in a drunken stupor, jackass. I was a
drafted, I didn't enlist. I served my time and went home. I wasn't going
to "fly back to Mommy's lap on a moments notice" I was in a place the
was well under -40°F through the winter. It would have cost most of my
pay for the year to go stateside for a week, so I didn't go on leave at
all. I used less than 25% of my available leave time because the pay was
so low you couldn't afford to go anywhere.

[Jim Thompson]

Post by Rich Grise
Well, before you sign up, do they give you any kind of indication
what you might be in for? Anybody who signs up for a 2-year hitch
and then whines and snivels because they can't fly back to Mommy's
lap on a moments notice doesn't deserve to have been sent on a road
trip at taxpayer expense in the first place.
Peace on Drugs!
Rich

[snip]

Do you claim to be an American? You certainly are a vicious animal
with no regard for our troops and their need for leave.

...Jim Thompson

[Brooklyn NYC]

When I joined the Navy in 1987 I knew in the back of my mind that there
might be a chance that I could be involved in something. In 1991 when
Operation Desert Storm started I volunteered to go to the sands to help
Marines set up communications sites.

Even though I love my family == I was only 22 yrs old and single at that
time == I gave no regards to what could possibly happen. I didn't care.
Maybe it seems strange to some people but this was and still is my thinking
== I would gladly give up my life for my country in order to give back what
it gave me. My wife and friends know that I would have gladly traded place
with any of those soldiers who didn't want to be in Iraq. However, I am
passed the age of service. But if my country called on me I would do it.

I definitely don't expect everyone to have the same feelings and I won't
criticize those who don't. However, I strongly believe that in order to
secure your right to protest and disagree there has to be someone to make
sure that those rights are there.

I truly believe that every citizen of the world should have the same rights.
It is not the sole responsibility of the US and UK to remove from power any
government or individual that commits genocide and other atrocities against
their own people or others == it is the responsibility of the entire world.
There are regimes in Africa that remove the hands and feet of men, women and
children who don't take their side. These people need to be removed == ANY
WAY NECESSARY to ensure that those people can live without fear.

It seems to me that most of today's liberals, if they were alive during WW2,
would not support Roosevelt and Eisenhower for going after Hitler. It seems
that all that is important now is protecting everybody's rights regardless
of the consequences. Hussein killed his own. He should now suffer the
consequences not be given some sort of immunity because the left is
empathetic.

There are too many people that want us to pull out of Iraq but history has
taught us that we can't do that: On Armistice Day -- 11 Nov 1918 -- when the
surrender was signed for WW1 we pulled out of Germany without lending them a
hand in the rebuilding. That is ONE of the reasons that WW2 started. They
still felt the animosity for us not helping them. When WW2 ended we did the
opposite: We help those countries that were in the Axis to rebuild. That is
why we HAVE to stay in Iraq until that country is stable enough to work on
its own. Could you imagine the consequences if we left that country now in a
state of shambles? Sometimes thinking with our hearts is not the right way
to do things and we have to put our emotions aside and do what is necessary.
Sometimes doing what is necessary is not what we want to do but what we have
to do.

MHO

Post by Jim Thompson

Post by Rich Grise
Well, before you sign up, do they give you any kind of indication
what you might be in for? Anybody who signs up for a 2-year hitch
and then whines and snivels because they can't fly back to Mommy's
lap on a moments notice doesn't deserve to have been sent on a road
trip at taxpayer expense in the first place.
Peace on Drugs!
Rich

[snip]
Do you claim to be an American? You certainly are a vicious animal
with no regard for our troops and their need for leave.
...Jim Thompson
--
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

[John Woodgate]

Post by Brooklyn NYC
It seems to me that most of today's liberals, if they were alive during
WW2, would not support Roosevelt and Eisenhower for going after Hitler.

No change there, then. What you call 'liberals' in Britain did not
support war with Hitler until late in the summer of 1939. It took Pearl
Harbor for US public opinion to swing from 'keep out of European
trouble' to supporting Roosevelt and hence Churchill.

Post by Brooklyn NYC
It seems that all that is important now is protecting everybody's rights
regardless of the consequences. Hussein killed his own. He should now
suffer the consequences not be given some sort of immunity because the
left is empathetic.

Yes, there IS too much excusing around.

Post by Brooklyn NYC
There are too many people that want us to pull out of Iraq but history
has taught us that we can't do that: On Armistice Day -- 11 Nov 1918 --
when the surrender was signed for WW1 we pulled out of Germany without
lending them a hand in the rebuilding. That is ONE of the reasons that
WW2 started. They still felt the animosity for us not helping them. When
WW2 ended we did the opposite: We help those countries that were in the
Axis to rebuild. That is why we HAVE to stay in Iraq until that country
is stable enough to work on its own. Could you imagine the consequences
if we left that country now in a state of shambles? Sometimes thinking
with our hearts is not the right way to do things and we have to put our
emotions aside and do what is necessary. Sometimes doing what is
necessary is not what we want to do but what we have to do.

Quite right, although one of your compatriots a few days ago recommended
just that - flatten the country and leave it to its own salvation.

[Brooklyn NYC]

Post by John Woodgate

Post by Brooklyn NYC
It seems to me that most of today's liberals, if they were alive during
WW2, would not support Roosevelt and Eisenhower for going after Hitler.

No change there, then. What you call 'liberals' in Britain did not
support war with Hitler until late in the summer of 1939. It took Pearl
Harbor for US public opinion to swing from 'keep out of European
trouble' to supporting Roosevelt and hence Churchill.

Post by Brooklyn NYC
It seems that all that is important now is protecting everybody's rights
regardless of the consequences. Hussein killed his own. He should now
suffer the consequences not be given some sort of immunity because the
left is empathetic.

Yes, there IS too much excusing around.

Post by Brooklyn NYC
There are too many people that want us to pull out of Iraq but history
has taught us that we can't do that: On Armistice Day -- 11 Nov 1918 --
when the surrender was signed for WW1 we pulled out of Germany without
lending them a hand in the rebuilding. That is ONE of the reasons that
WW2 started. They still felt the animosity for us not helping them. When
WW2 ended we did the opposite: We help those countries that were in the
Axis to rebuild. That is why we HAVE to stay in Iraq until that country
is stable enough to work on its own. Could you imagine the consequences
if we left that country now in a state of shambles? Sometimes thinking
with our hearts is not the right way to do things and we have to put our
emotions aside and do what is necessary. Sometimes doing what is
necessary is not what we want to do but what we have to do.

Quite right, although one of your compatriots a few days ago recommended
just that - flatten the country and leave it to its own salvation.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.

http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk

Post by John Woodgate
Interested in professional sound reinforcement and distribution? Then go to
http://www.isce.org.uk
PLEASE do NOT copy news posts to me by E-MAIL!
Quite right, although one of your compatriots a few days ago recommended
just that - flatten the country and leave it to its own salvation.

Perfect example of someone who just wants to hear his/her own voice or see
his/her words spread on the net. Too many people thinking that way because
they don't know history. It's a too oft used cliche but it will ring true
for eternity: "Those who haven't learned from history will be forced to
repeat it."


Cheers to you from the other side of the pond.

[Rich Grise]

All the more reason to get them home. :-)

Cheers!
Rich

Post by repatch
Gee, that's great, but did you ever think about the possiblity that not
everyone here is from the states, and not everyone here exactly AGREES with
what the states is doing??

Post by Jim Thompson
Did you know that you can donate some of your frequent flyer miles to
benefit our troops getting to their homes from Iraq?

[Fred Bloggs]

Post by repatch
Gee, that's great, but did you ever think about the possiblity that not
everyone here is from the states, and not everyone here exactly AGREES with
what the states is doing??

This NG is predominantly American- and the majority of contributions are
from Americans. Did this occur to you? Get the hell off of here with
your damned anti-American trash attitude, and post to the NG for your
backwards country.

[repatch]

Post by Fred Bloggs

Post by repatch
Gee, that's great, but did you ever think about the possiblity that not
everyone here is from the states, and not everyone here exactly AGREES with
what the states is doing??

This NG is predominantly American- and the majority of contributions are
from Americans. Did this occur to you? Get the hell off of here with
your damned anti-American trash attitude, and post to the NG for your
backwards country.

HEHEHEHE, which newsgroup are you specifically referring to? Are you
saying the majority is the only one allowed a voice? Are you saying I don't
have the right to FREE SPEECH? It's funny how some people claim to believe
in certain universal rights, as long as it doesn't inconvinience them.

FWIW I'm not anti-american, you can consider me more anti-Bush. I have
quite a few american friends who think exactly the same as I do about this
whole Iraq thing. What percentage of American's agree with what Bush is
doing?

Oh, and BTW, the backwards country I'm from is your neighbour to the North.

[Bill Garber]

"repatch" <***@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:ex_Db.10556$***@news20.bellglobal.com...
:
: HEHEHEHE, which newsgroup are you specifically referring
to? Are you
: saying the majority is the only one allowed a voice? Are you
saying I don't
: have the right to FREE SPEECH? It's funny how some people claim
to believe
: in certain universal rights, as long as it doesn't
inconvinience them.

I don't recall the Constitution or any of it's amendments
stating that our rights should be instilled into the rest
of the world.

: FWIW I'm not anti-american, you can consider me more
anti-Bush. I have
: quite a few american friends who think exactly the same as I do
about this
: whole Iraq thing. What percentage of American's agree with what
Bush is
: doing?

FOUR MORE YEARS, FOUR MORE YEARS.
On the OIL issue. So what if we use oil and pollute the
air and water supply. This planet is doomed anyway by virtue
of nature itself. The universe is ever changing and will
continue to do so no matter what we do to, in, and around it.

: Oh, and BTW, the backwards country I'm from is your neighbour
to the North.

You're just upset because Bush's new Medicare Prescription
Plan will be taking your pharmaceuticals business away.
BOO HOO!

Bill @ GarberStreet Enterprizez };-)
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[John Woodgate]

Post by Fred Bloggs
This NG is predominantly American- and the majority of contributions are
from Americans. Did this occur to you? Get the hell off of here with
your damned anti-American trash attitude, and post to the NG for your
backwards country.

Fred, you really are a NAUGHTY boy. Go and set up
sci.electronics.USrednecks if you want to have space to rant without
opposition.

[Mike]

Post by Jim Thompson
Did you know that you can donate some of your frequent flyer miles to
benefit our troops getting to their homes from Iraq?
The military generally flies a soldier only back to his base. Your
frequent flyer miles can get them the rest of the way home....
http://www.heromiles.org/
I think most of the airlines are now participating.
...Jim Thompson

One hundred and eighty billion dollars and counting. I think I've paid my
share already.

-- Mike --

[Jim Thompson]

On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 14:14:20 -0700, Jim Thompson

Post by Jim Thompson
Did you know that you can donate some of your frequent flyer miles to
benefit our troops getting to their homes from Iraq?
The military generally flies a soldier only back to his base. Your
frequent flyer miles can get them the rest of the way home....
http://www.heromiles.org/
I think most of the airlines are now participating.
...Jim Thompson

Damn! I guess I owe everyone a massive apology. I only meant to post
a way to aid our troops to ease their getting home on leave.

Instead I aroused every hate monger in the world :-(

...Jim Thompson

[Michael A. Terrell]

Post by Jim Thompson
Damn! I guess I owe everyone a massive apology. I only meant to post
a way to aid our troops to ease their getting home on leave.
Instead I aroused every hate monger in the world :-(
...Jim Thompson

Don't worry about it, they would have something else to piss and moan
about.

[Jim Thompson]

On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 17:16:39 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell"

Post by Michael A. Terrell

Post by Jim Thompson
Damn! I guess I owe everyone a massive apology. I only meant to post
a way to aid our troops to ease their getting home on leave.
Instead I aroused every hate monger in the world :-(
...Jim Thompson

Don't worry about it, they would have something else to piss and moan
about.

Michael, What *IS* this countdown? To retirement? To Medicare? To
getting laid (annual :-) To what ???

...Jim Thompson

[Spehro Pefhany]

On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 10:21:07 -0700, the renowned Jim Thompson

Post by Jim Thompson
On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 17:16:39 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell"

Post by Michael A. Terrell

Post by Jim Thompson
Damn! I guess I owe everyone a massive apology. I only meant to post
a way to aid our troops to ease their getting home on leave.
Instead I aroused every hate monger in the world :-(
...Jim Thompson

Don't worry about it, they would have something else to piss and moan
about.

Michael, What *IS* this countdown? To retirement? To Medicare? To
getting laid (annual :-) To what ???

Maybe some kind of annual celebration? Winter Solstice? Diwali?
Ramadan? Thanksgiving? Hanukkah? Kwaaanza??? ;-)

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

[Michael A. Terrell]

Post by Jim Thompson
Michael, What *IS* this countdown? To retirement? To Medicare? To
getting laid (annual :-) To what ???

Gee, Jim I figured everyone could do the math. Its the 17th, so in 8
days it will be the 25th. Also, I wanted to see if anyone actually
reads a .sig file.

[Winfield Hill]

Michael A. Terrell wrote...

Post by Jim Thompson
Michael, What *IS* this countdown? To retirement?
To Medicare? To getting laid (annual :-) To what ???

Gee, Jim I figured everyone could do the math. Its
the 17th, so in 8 days it will be the 25th. ...

So what? Bah, humbug.

Thanks,
- Win

whill_at_picovolt-dot-com

[Michael A. Terrell]

Post by Winfield Hill
Michael A. Terrell wrote...

Post by Jim Thompson
Michael, What *IS* this countdown? To retirement?
To Medicare? To getting laid (annual :-) To what ???

Gee, Jim I figured everyone could do the math. Its
the 17th, so in 8 days it will be the 25th. ...

So what? Bah, humbug.
Thanks,
- Win
whill_at_picovolt-dot-com

I thought better of you, Win.

Yes, I'm a Christian, and I do observe Christmas. Its also a sad time
of the year, as well. My mother suffered though Chemotherapy and
radiation treatments for a year, then died of Colon Rectal cancer a week
before her birthday, and two weeks before Christmas. I am not in the
mood for any big celebration, parties or even decorations. I nearly lost
my dad last year, so I simply remember what Christmas is about, and
leave it at that.

[Roger Gt]

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message

Post by Michael A. Terrell

Post by Jim Thompson
Michael, What *IS* this countdown? To retirement? To Medicare? To
getting laid (annual :-) To what ???

Gee, Jim I figured everyone could do the math. Its the 17th, so in 8
days it will be the 25th. Also, I wanted to see if anyone actually
reads a .sig file.
8 days!

But it's 4 days to the solstice! it's 8 days to the feast of Mithrus! Why
limit yourself to one, there are many holidays in this part of the year!
Party time!!!!

[Michael A. Terrell]

Post by Roger Gt
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message

Post by Michael A. Terrell

Post by Jim Thompson
Michael, What *IS* this countdown? To retirement? To Medicare? To
getting laid (annual :-) To what ???

Gee, Jim I figured everyone could do the math. Its the 17th, so in 8
days it will be the 25th. Also, I wanted to see if anyone actually
reads a .sig file.
8 days!

But it's 4 days to the solstice! it's 8 days to the feast of Mithrus! Why
limit yourself to one, there are many holidays in this part of the year!
Party time!!!!

Party if you want to. I don't.

[Roger Gt]

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message

Post by Michael A. Terrell

Post by Roger Gt
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
But it's 4 days to the solstice! it's 8 days to the feast of Mithrus! Why
limit yourself to one, there are many holidays in this part of the year!
Party time!!!!

Party if you want to. I don't.

To Each his own!
Condolences on you loss.
My father turned 87 last month, isn't doing too well.
My girl friend, in the hospital for over two of the last four months, will
get out this week, and she will be able to eat actual food instead of a TPN
through a pump each night. Still in a wheel chair part time, but much much
better.
And my Sister in law is in remission after being diagnosed with uterine
cancer, (Phase 4) three years ago! "Don't ever quote the odds to me!"

Set wards, light torches, unfurl banners, play a joyous tune.
Yes! Eat drink and be merry, for tomorrow --- You know the rest!
The lot of all living things. To bide a bit, and pass!
Leaving only foot steps in the sands of time!

[Chuck Harris]

Post by Jim Thompson
On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 17:16:39 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell"

Post by Michael A. Terrell

Post by Jim Thompson
Damn! I guess I owe everyone a massive apology. I only meant to post
a way to aid our troops to ease their getting home on leave.
Instead I aroused every hate monger in the world :-(
...Jim Thompson

Don't worry about it, they would have something else to piss and moan
about.

Michael, What *IS* this countdown? To retirement? To Medicare? To
getting laid (annual :-) To what ???

Christmas? (Dec 17 + 8 = Dec 25)

-Chuck

Post by Jim Thompson
...Jim Thompson

[Jim Thompson]

On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 10:02:12 -0700, Jim Thompson

Post by Don Pearce
On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 14:14:20 -0700, Jim Thompson

Post by Jim Thompson
Did you know that you can donate some of your frequent flyer miles to
benefit our troops getting to their homes from Iraq?

[snip]

Post by Don Pearce
Damn! I guess I owe everyone a massive apology. I only meant to post
a way to aid our troops to ease their getting home on leave.
Instead I aroused every hate monger in the world :-(
...Jim Thompson

Just found a way to make myself feel better. I figure if you're
anti-American you have no right to any technical assistance from me,
so I plonked a dozen of you, permanently. Bye ;-)

...Jim Thompson

[Terry]

Post by Jim Thompson
Instead I aroused every hate monger in the world :-(
...Jim Thompson

Sorry Jim, but you're wrong.

I'm a hate-monger and you dismally failed to arouse me!

T.

[Jim Thompson]

Post by Terry

Post by Jim Thompson
Instead I aroused every hate monger in the world :-(
...Jim Thompson

Sorry Jim, but you're wrong.
I'm a hate-monger and you dismally failed to arouse me!
T.

Sorry, I'll try harder next time ;-)

...Jim Thompson

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that Jim Thompson
<***@invalid.invalid> wrote (in <fq21uv8p1oepg6sc2nlk4k8ef4a6t3k3d3@
4ax.com>) about 'Donate Frequent Flyer Miles to Our Troops', on Wed, 17

Post by Jim Thompson
Damn! I guess I owe everyone a massive apology.

Not at all.

Post by Jim Thompson
I only meant to post a
way to aid our troops to ease their getting home on leave.

Sure. That's understood. By me, anyway.

Post by Jim Thompson
Instead I aroused every hate monger in the world :-(

Yes, because they took that post as a way to vent their displeasure
about OTHER things you have posted. Once you get unpopular, you are
damned whatever you say. It's human nature.

[Jim Thompson]

On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 21:10:52 +0000, John Woodgate

Post by John Woodgate
I read in sci.electronics.design that Jim Thompson
4ax.com>) about 'Donate Frequent Flyer Miles to Our Troops', on Wed, 17

Post by Jim Thompson
Damn! I guess I owe everyone a massive apology.

Not at all.

Post by Jim Thompson
I only meant to post a
way to aid our troops to ease their getting home on leave.

Sure. That's understood. By me, anyway.

Post by Jim Thompson
Instead I aroused every hate monger in the world :-(

Yes, because they took that post as a way to vent their displeasure
about OTHER things you have posted. Once you get unpopular, you are
damned whatever you say. It's human nature.

You mean to say that I'm "unpopular"?

Oh woe is me. Fat chance ;-)

...Jim Thompson

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that Jim Thompson
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Post by Jim Thompson
You mean to say that I'm "unpopular"?

You are with those who have reacted adversely to your posts. Not with
everyone here.

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Post by Don Pearce
On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 14:14:20 -0700, Jim Thompson

Post by Jim Thompson
Did you know that you can donate some of your frequent flyer miles to
benefit our troops getting to their homes from Iraq?
The military generally flies a soldier only back to his base. Your
frequent flyer miles can get them the rest of the way home....
http://www.heromiles.org/
I think most of the airlines are now participating.
...Jim Thompson

Damn! I guess I owe everyone a massive apology. I only meant to post
a way to aid our troops to ease their getting home on leave.

Your troops, not my troops, that is the issue at hand. If you had put:
"only applicable to US readers" or something like that at the top of your
post (or in the subject) I wouldn't have minded. It was the assumption that
it applies to EVERYONE here that is the problem.

[Michael A. Terrell]

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Post by Don Pearce
On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 14:14:20 -0700, Jim Thompson

Post by Jim Thompson
Did you know that you can donate some of your frequent flyer miles to
benefit our troops getting to their homes from Iraq?
The military generally flies a soldier only back to his base. Your
frequent flyer miles can get them the rest of the way home....
http://www.heromiles.org/
I think most of the airlines are now participating.
...Jim Thompson

Damn! I guess I owe everyone a massive apology. I only meant to post
a way to aid our troops to ease their getting home on leave.

"only applicable to US readers" or something like that at the top of your
post (or in the subject) I wouldn't have minded. It was the assumption that
it applies to EVERYONE here that is the problem.

Well, if the airlines in Canada don't think enough of your soldiers
to make the same offer, its not the fault of anyone in the US. Call the
cheap bastards who run your airlines and demand they do the same.

[repatch]

Post by Michael A. Terrell

Post by repatch
"only applicable to US readers" or something like that at the top of your
post (or in the subject) I wouldn't have minded. It was the assumption that
it applies to EVERYONE here that is the problem.

Well, if the airlines in Canada don't think enough of your soldiers
to make the same offer, its not the fault of anyone in the US. Call the
cheap bastards who run your airlines and demand they do the same.

That's not the point, the point is the post, which was off topic to
begin with, wasn't even RELAVENT to some of us. I don't know why I have to
spell out something SO OBVIOUS.

[Bill Garber]

"repatch" <***@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:7K7Eb.13885$***@news20.bellglobal.com...
:
: "Michael A. Terrell" <***@earthlink.net> wrote in
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: news:***@earthlink.net...
: > > Your troops, not my troops, that is the issue at hand.
If you had
: put:
: > > "only applicable to US readers" or something like that at
the top of
: your
: > > post (or in the subject) I wouldn't have minded. It was the
assumption
: that
: > > it applies to EVERYONE here that is the problem.
: >
: > Well, if the airlines in Canada don't think enough of your
soldiers
: > to make the same offer, its not the fault of anyone in the
US. Call the
: > cheap bastards who run your airlines and demand they do the
same.
:
: That's not the point, the point is the post, which was off
topic to
: begin with, wasn't even RELAVENT to some of us. I don't know
why I have to
: spell out something SO OBVIOUS.

The point really is this: Not what you are
spelling out, but to whom. You first must
find someone who cares.

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[repatch]

Post by Bill Garber
message
: > > Your troops, not my troops, that is the issue at hand.
If you had
: > > "only applicable to US readers" or something like that at
the top of
: your
: > > post (or in the subject) I wouldn't have minded. It was the
assumption
: that
: > > it applies to EVERYONE here that is the problem.
: >
: > Well, if the airlines in Canada don't think enough of your
soldiers
: > to make the same offer, its not the fault of anyone in the
US. Call the
: > cheap bastards who run your airlines and demand they do the
same.
: That's not the point, the point is the post, which was off
topic to
: begin with, wasn't even RELAVENT to some of us. I don't know
why I have to
: spell out something SO OBVIOUS.
The point really is this: Not what you are
spelling out, but to whom. You first must
find someone who cares.

I guess that's true, sad so many people here are so selfish.

[Southern]

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Post by Don Pearce
On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 14:14:20 -0700, Jim Thompson

Post by Jim Thompson
Did you know that you can donate some of your frequent flyer miles to
benefit our troops getting to their homes from Iraq?
The military generally flies a soldier only back to his base. Your
frequent flyer miles can get them the rest of the way home....
http://www.heromiles.org/
I think most of the airlines are now participating.
...Jim Thompson

Damn! I guess I owe everyone a massive apology. I only meant to post
a way to aid our troops to ease their getting home on leave.

"only applicable to US readers" or something like that at the top of your
post (or in the subject) I wouldn't have minded. It was the assumption that
it applies to EVERYONE here that is the problem.

Damn inconsiderate of you Jim not to take into account those individuals who
might read this with ultra thin skins, easily bruised egos, and pedantic
pretensions

[Jim Thompson]

[snip]

Post by Southern

Post by repatch

Post by Jim Thompson
Damn! I guess I owe everyone a massive apology. I only meant to post
a way to aid our troops to ease their getting home on leave.

"only applicable to US readers" or something like that at the top of your
post (or in the subject) I wouldn't have minded. It was the assumption

that

Post by repatch
it applies to EVERYONE here that is the problem.

Damn inconsiderate of you Jim not to take into account those individuals who
might read this with ultra thin skins, easily bruised egos, and pedantic
pretensions

ROTFLMAO! (You missed "impotent" :-)

...Jim Thompson

[Michael A. Terrell]

Post by Jim Thompson

Post by Southern
Damn inconsiderate of you Jim not to take into account those individuals who
might read this with ultra thin skins, easily bruised egos, and pedantic
pretensions

ROTFLMAO! (You missed "impotent" :-)
...Jim Thompson

They think they is impotent!