Discussion:
Pest control recommendations: Scorpions?
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Paul Wylie
2004-04-19 23:10:17 UTC
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Last Sunday, the wife encountered her first live scorpion since we moved
into our house in October. I was at a Suns game with my brothers, so she
called her dad to come over and kill it. His method of killing the
scorpion left no evidence to show a pest control guy (he wadded it up in a
paper napkin, which he then took outside and lit on fire).

I've been promising to contact a pest control company since then, but
didn't get anything accomplished last week.

Sunday morning, I was awakened because she had found a second live
scorpion. It was in the kitchen sink, where minutes before, she'd been
doing dishes.

Following the previously-received advice of friends, I taped it down using
clear packing tape (I've heard duct tape is even better but I couldn't
remember where it was stored quickly enough, so I used the clear stuff).
I smashed it dead and then peeled the tape up, sealed the other side with
more of the same tape and threw the whole assembly into a ziploc bag,
which I hung in the garage for the eventual pest-control specialist who
will tell us if it's a dreaded bark scorpion. The damn thing's about the
right size, but to me, it looked darker than everybody's always said they
were. The wife, naturally, found pictures on the Internet that looked
suspiciously like the damn thing, so I'm not certain.

Which leads me to my question: I desperately need to find somebody who
will be able to kill as many of the suckers as possible as often as
possible without harming us or any future pets or children. I know the
big companies like Terminix and Truly Nolen are an option, but I'm really
looking for info on people's experiences here.

Also, due to an error in reading the label on my pool filter (which uses
Diatomaceous Earth), I recently bought 75 lbs of DE instead of the 7.5 lbs
I needed, so I've got scads of that stuff I can spread around the house.
Is it true that it kills most hard-shelled pests, but is virtually
harmless to people and pets?

ISTR reading that DE contains silica and is considered a hazardous
material in many locales because of the risk of silicosis, etc.

I need to do something fast. We're fast approaching the due date of our
impending Happy Event, and she's worried sick that a bark scorpion will
kill our first born when he's crawling or toddling. I'm equally worried
that an excessive application of hazardous materials will stunt him or
put him at higher risk for Who Knows What, but I do need to make sure no
more of those damn things get into the house again any time soon.

So. Recommendations, please?

--Paul
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Jim Thompson
2004-04-20 00:23:42 UTC
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On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 23:10:17 +0000 (UTC), Paul Wylie
<***@teamwylie.removemunged.org> wrote:

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Post by Paul Wylie
Which leads me to my question: I desperately need to find somebody who
will be able to kill as many of the suckers as possible as often as
possible without harming us or any future pets or children. I know the
big companies like Terminix and Truly Nolen are an option, but I'm really
looking for info on people's experiences here.
I've used Arizona Exterminating for at least 20 years... I really
don't remember when we started. I've been happy with them all this
time. They've recently switched me to an every-other-month schedule,
and they installed chemical dispensers in the ground all around the
perimeter of the house.

It's very difficult to poison scorpions. So to get rid of scorpions
you kill their food, which is primarily crickets.

Also check all your door and window sill seals... they come in thru
gaps. I live in the Foothills and they seal the electrical outlet
plates here.
Post by Paul Wylie
Also, due to an error in reading the label on my pool filter (which uses
Diatomaceous Earth), I recently bought 75 lbs of DE instead of the 7.5 lbs
I needed, so I've got scads of that stuff I can spread around the house.
Is it true that it kills most hard-shelled pests, but is virtually
harmless to people and pets?
I believe that is correct.

[snip]
Post by Paul Wylie
--Paul
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James J. Lippard
2004-04-20 00:43:56 UTC
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I've also used Arizona Exterminating for the past couple of years, and
they have a scorpion on their logo...

I've had mixed experiences with them--initially they were great, but
then my service guy must have quit, and I had two terrible replacements
in a row, and now it's a good one again.

I have a lot of citrus trees on my property, and have seen a total of
three scorpions in the just over two years I've lived here. I called
the exterminator in after we saw one in the house, and they put down
some powder at entrances on the front of the house, which I asked them
not to do in the back due to risk to pets. That was about a year ago,
and we haven't seen any scorpions since then, in or out. I think it's
more likely that they were stirred up by construction activity around
me than anything else (that construction is now mostly complete).

So consider this a half-hearted recommendation for Arizona
Exterminating.
Post by Jim Thompson
On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 23:10:17 +0000 (UTC), Paul Wylie
[snip]
Post by Paul Wylie
Which leads me to my question: I desperately need to find somebody who
will be able to kill as many of the suckers as possible as often as
possible without harming us or any future pets or children. I know the
big companies like Terminix and Truly Nolen are an option, but I'm really
looking for info on people's experiences here.
I've used Arizona Exterminating for at least 20 years... I really
don't remember when we started. I've been happy with them all this
time. They've recently switched me to an every-other-month schedule,
and they installed chemical dispensers in the ground all around the
perimeter of the house.
It's very difficult to poison scorpions. So to get rid of scorpions
you kill their food, which is primarily crickets.
Also check all your door and window sill seals... they come in thru
gaps. I live in the Foothills and they seal the electrical outlet
plates here.
Post by Paul Wylie
Also, due to an error in reading the label on my pool filter (which uses
Diatomaceous Earth), I recently bought 75 lbs of DE instead of the 7.5 lbs
I needed, so I've got scads of that stuff I can spread around the house.
Is it true that it kills most hard-shelled pests, but is virtually
harmless to people and pets?
I believe that is correct.
[snip]
Post by Paul Wylie
--Paul
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2004-04-22 14:42:44 UTC
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Post by Jim Thompson
It's very difficult to poison scorpions. So to get rid of scorpions
you kill their food, which is primarily crickets.
This is the best advice you'll ever get....

Billy Y..
Blair P. Houghton
2004-04-20 01:49:58 UTC
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Post by Paul Wylie
Last Sunday, the wife encountered her first live scorpion since we moved
into our house in October. I was at a Suns game with my brothers, so she
called her dad to come over and kill it. His method of killing the
scorpion left no evidence to show a pest control guy (he wadded it up in a
paper napkin, which he then took outside and lit on fire).
Wow. How...Chuckie.

Anyway.

Call either G&H Pest Control, or G&H Pest Control West (if they're
still separate companies; it's been a bit of a soap opera over the
past 10 years).

They keep my house relatively bug-free. Scorpions are the
hardest to kill, and they're the ones I've tasked them with
stopping, so any other kind of bug ends up totally fried.
I see about one scorpion per year, and I live between golf
course and open desert. Other than that, I see a couple of
waterbugs, weevils, and earwigs.

High quality, brilliant customer service, and a client list
that reads like a Phoenix who's-who (but I'm not telling who).

$40 a treatment, iirc. Been a few months since I paid cash.

Seriously. Call them. I owe them because it's been a few
months since I've been in town to get my house done. And you
can't go wrong.

--Blair
"No. Really."
Paul Wylie
2004-04-20 17:28:32 UTC
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Post by Blair P. Houghton
Wow. How...Chuckie.
Sorry, I'm not catching the reference. Is that a reference to one of
those horror movies with the evil doll?
Post by Blair P. Houghton
Call either G&H Pest Control, or G&H Pest Control West (if they're
still separate companies; it's been a bit of a soap opera over the
past 10 years).
I found one entry for them at DexOnline:

G & H Pest Control East Inc
East Valley Foothills
AZ
(602) 437-9722

I'm in the Red Mountain Ranch area, so I'm hoping that "East Valley
Foothills" isn't telling me that's their primary territory.

[...]
Post by Blair P. Houghton
I see about one scorpion per year, and I live between golf
course and open desert.
[...]

The Red Mountain Ranch Country Club golf course wends its way around our
neighborhood in a horseshoe shape, and there's plenty of natural-looking
desert landscaping around the course and throughout the neighborhood (two
thirds of our back yard is desert landscaping) and we're at most six
blocks from open desert. So it sounds like we're in reasonably similar
terrain.
Post by Blair P. Houghton
$40 a treatment, iirc. Been a few months since I paid cash.
[...]

That sounds like something we could afford once a month, or every other
month.

--Paul
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Blair P. Houghton
2004-04-22 07:33:45 UTC
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Post by Paul Wylie
The Red Mountain Ranch Country Club golf course wends its way around our
neighborhood in a horseshoe shape, and there's plenty of natural-looking
desert landscaping around the course and throughout the neighborhood (two
thirds of our back yard is desert landscaping) and we're at most six
blocks from open desert. So it sounds like we're in reasonably similar
terrain.
Scorpions love water in unmaintained areas.

If you have "community" space with lots of sprinklers,
or any sort of city facilities, then you'll have a
permanent population of centruroides breeding and looking
for lebensraum. You'll never get rid of them totally, but
having monthly poison patrols will slow them enough that at
least they'll show themselves to be stepped on and flushed.

--Blair
"And if you're over 2 feet tall,
they can't really kill you, much."
Brian Trosko
2004-04-22 09:38:50 UTC
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Post by Blair P. Houghton
--Blair
"And if you're over 2 feet tall,
they can't really kill you, much."
Neither can platypuses, but I sure wouldn't want to be stung by one.
Jim Thompson
2004-04-22 16:19:23 UTC
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On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 07:33:45 GMT, Blair P. Houghton <***@p.h> wrote:

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Post by Blair P. Houghton
--Blair
"And if you're over 2 feet tall,
they can't really kill you, much."
If you happen to have an allergic reaction to bee stings a scorpion
bite *may* kill you.

I got stung by a scorpion about two years ago by one that crawled up
my pants leg. Hurt like hell! I called poison control and they told
me which reactions to watch for that would indicate a need to beat it
to an emergency room.

...Jim Thompson
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Paul Wylie
2004-04-23 22:39:56 UTC
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In alt.primenet.recovery Blair P. Houghton <***@p.h> wrote:
[...]
Post by Blair P. Houghton
Call either G&H Pest Control, or G&H Pest Control West (if they're
still separate companies; it's been a bit of a soap opera over the
past 10 years).
[...]

I called G&H Pest Control East (the guys in the Foothills). They don't
service northeast Mesa. They referred me to another company called Strike
Force. I haven't called them yet.

--Paul
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Blair P. Houghton
2004-04-24 07:17:29 UTC
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Post by Paul Wylie
[...]
Post by Blair P. Houghton
Call either G&H Pest Control, or G&H Pest Control West (if they're
still separate companies; it's been a bit of a soap opera over the
past 10 years).
[...]
I called G&H Pest Control East (the guys in the Foothills). They don't
service northeast Mesa. They referred me to another company called Strike
Force. I haven't called them yet.
If they recommended them, it's a good bet they're the ones you'll want.

--Blair
"I'd trust these guys to sit my house."

Dennis M. O'Connor
2004-04-20 05:36:49 UTC
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We think our cats eat the scorpions.
But we don't worry about it, since they
are usually less dangerous than bees.
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Little John
2004-04-20 06:47:32 UTC
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On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 22:36:49 -0700, in a fit of unbridled digital verbosity,
once again proving the problem is located between the seat and the keyboard,
"Dennis M. O'Connor" <***@primenet.com> two-fingered to all:

|>We think our cats eat the scorpions.
|>But we don't worry about it, since they
|>are usually less dangerous than bees.

We took a two prong approach. We have three cats who have done an excellent job
of wiping out bugs (the dog just watches them, until they get too close to his
food bowl, then he acts). But, to play it extra safe, on a couple of dull days
last winter, I drilled small holes in the exterior walls between each stud,
squirted a boric acid/D.E. blend into the holes, then patched the holes and
touched up the paint.

Since then, even with all the construction across the street where they're
wiping out my great view of the mountains, we've had virtually no bugs. And,
the three we've had were belly-up, dead, laying beside the doggie door.

btw - When we remodelled the kitchen two years ago, I shot this same mixture
under all the new cabinets as we were putting them in. Haven't seen a single
bug in the kitchen since then.



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Mark Allread
2004-04-20 05:35:01 UTC
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You can buy FOOD GRADE diatomaceous earth which is really safe around the
house.
I use DE and haven't had any roach, cricket, spider, or scorpion problem
since. Couple of roaches who haven't heard about me, wander in per year,
shortening their life expectancy considerably.
The occasional scorpion can come in on someone's clothes or a pet. They come
for water. You can seek them out at night with a UV or black light (they
glow under the light). DE is made of skeletons of little sea creatures, and
it is sharp as a razor to any shelled bug or insect. DE cuts up any shelled
creatures, outer surface, they dehydrate and die. DE takes a couple of
weeks to work though, so spraying is good at first in conjuntion with DE. DE
doesn't have to be thick, I spray it with a tubular rose duster. Gets in all
the cracks and crevices, under all appliances.
Unfortunately, the poisons for use in AZ are not very strong and aren't
effective for more than a couple weeks at best. That is why you need an
exterminator to come often, if you go that route. The most important thing
is protecting the baby. A scorpion sting is like a bee sting for most
adults, but can kill a small child.. I am also worried about Brown Recluse
spiders rather than Black Widows. You also have to watch for fire ants
around little kids outside.
I pour lacquer thinner or gas on fire ant hills, sprinkle a ring of powdered
bleach around the property if there are snakes around. Moth balls are good
around gardens for garden eating animals, etc. Chewing tobacco mixed in
Listerine and soapy water for leaf eating bugs. For roaches, I use DE, and
sometimes in the garage, a 5 1/2 pound sledge hammer.
Interestingly, people in AZ used to put the legs of a crib in mason jars to
keep scorpions from climbing the crib legs legs. They can climb walls, etc,
but have a bad time with glass.
BYW, I chose DE instead of spraying because the wife and I walk around in
bare or stocking feet, and I have a dog that could be affected by constant
spraying. Most of my brain damage was caused by heat, and maybe drinking
when I was younger, but I don't want to accumulate poisons in my body
either.
One more thing. The biggest deterrent we have against creepy crawlies is my
house is 100% tiled. Bugs and scorpions don't like it. They have difficulty
moving around on it and it is easy to see anything foreign and very easy to
clean. Throw rugs are placed where we need them. Insects love carpeting. If
you don't normally fall down a lot, tile is excellent.
Good luck.
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